Secular Sunday #73 – It’s A Cracker

Another late night edition. (It’s not rational not to take advantage of unexpectedly good weather.) We have some good news about our conference, a profile of one of its speakers, the welcome return of our news roundup (helpfully compiled by Barbara Monea), as well as listings of upcoming events and a couple of thought-provoking blog posts. Enjoy!

- Derek Walsh, Editor

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Secular Sunday #72 – Cardinal Sinners and Feminist Winners

It’s time for another Secular Sunday. With less than seven weeks to go until our Empowering Women through Secularism conference, we profile one of the most experienced of our speakers. We’ve also got the best of Irish atheist blogs (which tend to feature Cardinal Sean Brady quite heavily this week), and of course a listing of all the most godless events we could find.

- Derek Walsh, Editor

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Secular Sunday #71 – Life And Death

Time for another Secular Sunday, which as well as the latest news and upcoming events, contains a profile of Rebecca Watson who’ll be speaking at the Empowering Women Through Secularism conference in June, and a focus on the case of Marie Fleming and the right to die.

- Derek Walsh, Editor

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Secular schools and human rights: extract from book chapter by Michael Nugent and Jane Donnelly

Towards Mutual GroundMichael Nugent and Jane Donnelly wrote a chapter on secular education and human rights for the book ‘Towards Mutual Ground – Pluralism, Religious Education and Diversity in Irish Schools’ edited by Gareth Byrne and Patricia Kieran and published last week by Columba Press.

Other contributors to the book include Dermot Lane, Patricia Kieran, Robert Jackson, Terence Merrigan, Suzanne Dillon, Andrew McGrady, Marie Parker-Jenkins, Gavin D’Costa, Anne Looney, Elizabeth Osewska, Gareth Byrne, Niall Coll, Anne Hession, Jones Irwin, Rik Von Nieuwenhove and Michael Hayes.

Here is an extract from the chapter by Michael and Jane.

Only Secular Schools Respect Every Person’s Human Rights Equally

There is one fundamental question that informs all debate about pluralism and patronage in education. That question is posed here as an option:

1. Do you wish to bring about an education system that satisfies the desires of a majority of parents and children, (perhaps to satisfy the desires of those who happen to share your own personal religious beliefs) regardless of the wishes of minority groups?

2. Alternatively do you wish to bring about an education system that respects equally the human rights of all parents and all children, without sacrificing the human rights of a minority in order to satisfy the desires of a majority?

The manner in which a person answers these foundational questions determines what conclusions they arrive at.

It is understandable that many parents, and representatives of particular religions, have as their priority an education system that satisfies their own desires, and the desires of those who think like them. However the role of the state should be to counteract this self-centred approach, and to ensure that the education system respects equally the human rights of all parents and all children. In practice, the only way to ensure this is for the state to establish a secular education system.

A secular education system would be neutral on the question of religion and non-religion, and it would allow further educational options to develop as a supplement and not a replacement to that secular system. Religious schools or atheist schools should be an added extra for parents who want to avail of them, if they can afford them. However having religious schools as the foundation of the educational system creates only the illusion of choice.

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A response to Dick Spicer’s open letter to Atheist Ireland about secular politics

Michael NugentThis is a response by Atheist Ireland chairperson Michael Nugent to Dick Spicer’s open letter to Atheist Ireland last week, followed by documentary evidence that the HAI does in fact promote the political cause of separation of church and state, contrary to the assertions made by the current HAI Board in order to sign up to the Civil Registration Act.

I respect the contributions that Dick Spicer and the current HAI Board members have made to the advancement of secularism in Ireland, and several of them are my personal friends. But I believe that they have lost perspective on this issue.

I have waited a week to respond, because I wanted to enable others to read Dick’s letter on its own merits, without me shifting the focus by immediately responding. I hope that we can tease out or differences reasonably.

Because Dick’s letter says very little about the Civil Registration Act itself, I have confined myself here to responding to the points that he made in his letter, which are largely about the political philosophies of Atheist Ireland and the HAI. These are important issues to discuss, as they go to the heart of this matter.

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Secular Sunday #70 – Civil Registrations and Civil Disagreements

No weekend would be complete without an issue of Secular Sunday, so here it is, full of all the most relevant information I could find.
If you are organising any events or have seen some news you think will interest our readers, let me know so I can share it.

- Derek Walsh, Editor

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An open letter to Atheist Ireland by Dick Spicer

Dick-Spicer1Dick Spicer is a longtime activist for humanism and separation of church and state in Ireland. He is also a humanist celebrant, and co-author of ‘The Humanist Philosophy with an Irish Guide to Non-Religious Ceremonies’. Here Dick gives his opinions on the reactions among atheists and humanists to the new Civil Registration Act.

Dear Atheist Ireland members,

It has been a great joy to me and other humanists to see the development in Ireland of a determined Atheist group such as yours. I see it as a really healthy sign for Irish society and its development to have secular groups like AI and the HAI in existence pursuing their respective agendas. Indeed this perspective led me to play a modest role in the formation of both groups and decades before that in the Campaign to Separate Church and State (CSCS).

It pains me doubly therefore to see a degree of confusion emerging which might damage the Irish secular movement as a whole. I am referring here to the pattern of the AI leadership taking issue with the HAI approach to gradual reform and the ‘Open Letter to HAI members’  being circulated by Michael Nugent and others. Michael is a talented representative of the Atheist perspective (as I knew he would be when I suggested him as a likely Chairperson) but his approach sits uneasily, clashes even, with the humanist philosophical perspective as I see it.

However, if it did not – then there would be no logical reason for the separate existence of the two groups?

My expectations were that with the public foundation and existence of an atheist group, an outlet would be given to those secularists of a definite atheist outlook who wished to promote atheism intellectually and politically and garner support accordingly. The role of our Irish humanist group with it’s moderate philosophy and provision of services to those non-religious who require them  is obviously somewhat different. A degree of overlap is to be expected of course as humanists look for secular advance in society but the humanist perspective in general could be expected to be a more encompassing less militantly anti-religious one.

The logic of promoting an atheist group is that one can have a more hard- hitting, focused political pressure group alongside the more service orientated humanist group and no one would deny that under Michael’s leadership AI has functioned thus. The HAI over many years, has developed its services to the non-religious community,  (indeed requests for such were the impelling factor in its formation) whilst supporting changes in society which benefit that community.

The damaging confusion I see emerging is that AI seems to be seeking to influence the HAI to become a mirror image of itself – i.e. to become a militant political pressure group. By directly intervening  as chair of the AI and challenging the HAI to change its perspective Michael is destroying the logic of having two separate groups with differing approaches, agendas and philosophies. He is leading others who might have joint membership of both groups in the same direction and I am saddened by the degree of hostility this is engendering and I hereby appeal to Michael (as one committed to ‘dialogue’) to reconsider his intervention before more serious damage is done.

I think this does necessarily raise the issue of the advisability of people having joint membership of both groups as the natural tendency (without implying any malice) of this practice is a drift towards a common program which will alienate many. I appeal to those whose commitment is primarily to AI and its political approach to not pursue their agenda within the HAI on the issue of the reforming of legal solemnisation of marriage (and there will probably in the nature of such things be other issues in the future).

It would be far healthier for both groups continued existence and amity if those with joint membership made their choice of group commitment and wished the others well for the future. That way the non-religious community who both groups exist to serve (from differing perspectives) will continue to have two strings to their bow and draw in support from those who who would balk at the purely AI approach on the one hand or the HAI on the other!

Dick Spicer

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Secular Sunday #69 – The Righty Quinn

If you’re sick of reading about David Quinn, then you may want to skip this week’s blog section. His behaviour at the Constitutional Convention and since has drawn the ire of quite a few bloggers and we’ve collected their pieces here. We also have some convention news, a profile of another of our speakers and a list of all the events we could find taking place in the next few weeks. Enjoy!

- Derek Walsh, Editor

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Register today for Dublin international conference on Empowering Women Through Secularism

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Secularism protects freedom of conscience, and advances equal rights for women. And, whether you are a woman or a man, you can help to shape the future of secular activism and women’s rights around the world by coming to Dublin on the weekend of 29-30 June 2013.

You will hear and meet and socialise with inspiring speakers and panelists and conference participants from around the world. You will help to shape strategies for positive change, and vote on an international Declaration on Empowering Women Through Secularism.

We will discuss how religion and religiously-influenced laws discriminate against women in areas from healthcare, sexuality and reproductive rights to education, careers and social policy, as well as how to combat violence against women and the history and future of women in atheist and secular activism.

The conference is hosted by Atheist Ireland, in the O’Callaghan Alexander Hotel where we hosted the sell-out World Atheist Convention in June 2011. The Atheist Alliance International AGM will take place in conjunction with the event.

Here are some things you can do now:

Get more details at the Conference Website

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Buy early price tickets for just €100

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Secular Sunday #68 – In Before the Bell

Another late evening edition. Second Sundays do take their toll, but our brunch in Dublin was very enjoyable and reports from Sligo suggest a good time was had there as well. Check out our event listings below for other ways to hang out with atheists and skeptics. Let me know if there are any worthwhile events I missed.

- Derek Walsh, Editor

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