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	<title>Comments on: Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life</title>
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		<title>By: Evangelizing the jaded &#124; Faith &#38; Works</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-15762</link>
		<dc:creator>Evangelizing the jaded &#124; Faith &#38; Works</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] designed to evangelize people in societies where Christianity had been long-established but is now sidelined in a secular atmosphere. That would include his native Germany and the place the pope can see from his window, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: margot Lesss]mann</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-15037</link>
		<dc:creator>margot Lesss]mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Dawkins: &quot;Atheists for Jesus&quot; ( Wrong Atheist!!! )</description>
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		<title>By: Denis Griffin</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-14775</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanya,
I doubt that you are right about atheists being scared of religion.  In fact it is my experience that the religious dislike having their faith questioned while atheists have no argument with people who have decided otherwise.
You assert that the bible is &#039;proven&#039;.  Nozz... on July 9th asked for proof and I was looking forward to reading your reply.  
Meanwhile I refer you to Robert M Price&#039;s &#039;The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man&#039; (Prometheus Books, 2003).  Professor G.A.Wells. University of London wrote in his critique &#039;A thoroughly convincing demonstration that the Gospels are totally unreliable&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanya,<br />
I doubt that you are right about atheists being scared of religion.  In fact it is my experience that the religious dislike having their faith questioned while atheists have no argument with people who have decided otherwise.<br />
You assert that the bible is &#8216;proven&#8217;.  Nozz&#8230; on July 9th asked for proof and I was looking forward to reading your reply.<br />
Meanwhile I refer you to Robert M Price&#8217;s &#8216;The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man&#8217; (Prometheus Books, 2003).  Professor G.A.Wells. University of London wrote in his critique &#8216;A thoroughly convincing demonstration that the Gospels are totally unreliable&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10492</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachlan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We reject all discrimination in employment (other than for religious leaders) and the provision of social services on the grounds of race, religion or belief, gender, class, caste or sexual orientation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t like the way that religious leaders are given a special exemption for this statement of non-discrimination. I think it would instead be better to phrase it in a way that said no discrimination based on qualities that are either entirely inconsequential to the task being performed, or for which accommodations cannot be made for practical and non-discriminatory reasons.

So, a non-religious person who does not subscribe to a particular faith and whom is unable or unwilling to fain belief and worship in order to fulfill the duties of the role, would likely not qualify for the position of a religious leader, at least not in favour of someone who is of the faith. So such a person is not being discriminated against purely because of their lack of faith, but because they would not meet the requirements of the position itself.

Similarly, a wheelchair bound disabled person cannot be discriminated against on the basis of their disability, but they would not likely be suitable for the position that required them to have full use of their legs, such as, for example, working on a construction site where they would need to climb up and down ladders all day, unless there is a way for them to workaround their disability and still perform the required tasks.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We oppose state funding for faith schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree that funding given to a faith school for purposes inessential to the basic educational needs of students should certainly not come from the state. Such schools should absolutely not receive more funding than state schools.

However, there is an argument to be made for limited funding on a per student basis that is sufficient to subsidise the cost of certain essential services and facilities, with a requirement that such state funding must be used as specified. For example, funding to subsidise, if not cover completely, the cost of text books required by the state.

This is justifiable because it is highly likely that the student&#039;s parents are tax payers, just like every other employed person, and it is tax payer money that goes towards the state&#039;s education budget. So their choice to send their child to a faith school should not impose undue restrictions upon their child&#039;s educational needs, with respect to benefiting from the state&#039;s educational budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We reject all discrimination in employment (other than for religious leaders) and the provision of social services on the grounds of race, religion or belief, gender, class, caste or sexual orientation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the way that religious leaders are given a special exemption for this statement of non-discrimination. I think it would instead be better to phrase it in a way that said no discrimination based on qualities that are either entirely inconsequential to the task being performed, or for which accommodations cannot be made for practical and non-discriminatory reasons.</p>
<p>So, a non-religious person who does not subscribe to a particular faith and whom is unable or unwilling to fain belief and worship in order to fulfill the duties of the role, would likely not qualify for the position of a religious leader, at least not in favour of someone who is of the faith. So such a person is not being discriminated against purely because of their lack of faith, but because they would not meet the requirements of the position itself.</p>
<p>Similarly, a wheelchair bound disabled person cannot be discriminated against on the basis of their disability, but they would not likely be suitable for the position that required them to have full use of their legs, such as, for example, working on a construction site where they would need to climb up and down ladders all day, unless there is a way for them to workaround their disability and still perform the required tasks.</p>
<blockquote><p>We oppose state funding for faith schools.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that funding given to a faith school for purposes inessential to the basic educational needs of students should certainly not come from the state. Such schools should absolutely not receive more funding than state schools.</p>
<p>However, there is an argument to be made for limited funding on a per student basis that is sufficient to subsidise the cost of certain essential services and facilities, with a requirement that such state funding must be used as specified. For example, funding to subsidise, if not cover completely, the cost of text books required by the state.</p>
<p>This is justifiable because it is highly likely that the student&#8217;s parents are tax payers, just like every other employed person, and it is tax payer money that goes towards the state&#8217;s education budget. So their choice to send their child to a faith school should not impose undue restrictions upon their child&#8217;s educational needs, with respect to benefiting from the state&#8217;s educational budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Ham: Evil Atheist Agenda &#124; The Village Heathen</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10460</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Ham: Evil Atheist Agenda &#124; The Village Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alliance International recently held a conference in Copenhagen, and the group came up with this declaration on religion in public life.  Here are a few excerpts. We recognize the unlimited right to freedom [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Ham: Evil Atheist Agenda Part 1 &#124; The Village Heathen</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Ham: Evil Atheist Agenda Part 1 &#124; The Village Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alliance International recently held a conference in Copenhagen, and the group came up with this declaration on religion in public life.  Here are a few excerpts. We recognize the unlimited right to freedom [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ***OFFICIAL GOD DISCUSSION*** - Page 7 - Poker Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10448</link>
		<dc:creator>***OFFICIAL GOD DISCUSSION*** - Page 7 - Poker Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Full House   Join Date: Jun 2005  Posts: 806        Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life &#124; Atheist Ireland [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Religion in Public Life and Persecuted Christians &#124; Knowledge Begetting Confidence</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10444</link>
		<dc:creator>Religion in Public Life and Persecuted Christians &#124; Knowledge Begetting Confidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] June in Copenhagen, the Gods and Politics conference drew up a declaration called Declaration of Religion in Public Life.  This declaration lists guidelines to ensure free speech and free practice of religion.  The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nozzferrahhtoo</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10288</link>
		<dc:creator>nozzferrahhtoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanya,

“ But yet you say its ok for them to publicly speak but not Christians. “

Can you point me to where it says that, I can not find it.

“The Holy Bible is prophetic and proven.”

Really? Where and how so. No one has proven it to me, or even given me the first shred of evidence that any of it is a true story, and not just well written moral fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanya,</p>
<p>“ But yet you say its ok for them to publicly speak but not Christians. “</p>
<p>Can you point me to where it says that, I can not find it.</p>
<p>“The Holy Bible is prophetic and proven.”</p>
<p>Really? Where and how so. No one has proven it to me, or even given me the first shred of evidence that any of it is a true story, and not just well written moral fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: D Young</title>
		<link>http://www.atheist.ie/2010/06/copenhagen-declaration-on-religion-in-public-life/comment-page-1/#comment-10279</link>
		<dc:creator>D Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you folks misunderstood the clause about religious leaders, the wording the leaders employment, meaning the congregation or voting body has the right to be discrimitory about the leader chosen, just a little lesson in legalese.
 and to those talking about the day after pill, the problem letting a pharmicist make decisions about what prescriptions they will fill is that this is a very slippery slope, and very simply, those in the medical field should not be allowed to bring their faith to work, just like the police, those that have a hard time with this SHOULD have to find other vocations, and the problem has showed it self in the united state where there are states, whole states where a woman can&#039;t get an abortion and the pill would follow suit, and to the bible thumpers that call it murder, your BIBLE states life does not begin until the first breath, so stop the blasphemy folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you folks misunderstood the clause about religious leaders, the wording the leaders employment, meaning the congregation or voting body has the right to be discrimitory about the leader chosen, just a little lesson in legalese.<br />
 and to those talking about the day after pill, the problem letting a pharmicist make decisions about what prescriptions they will fill is that this is a very slippery slope, and very simply, those in the medical field should not be allowed to bring their faith to work, just like the police, those that have a hard time with this SHOULD have to find other vocations, and the problem has showed it self in the united state where there are states, whole states where a woman can&#8217;t get an abortion and the pill would follow suit, and to the bible thumpers that call it murder, your BIBLE states life does not begin until the first breath, so stop the blasphemy folks!</p>
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