This house rejects atheism – a response

The following video is on our YouTube channel. It’s Professor Brian Bocking at a UCC debate last year, proposing the motion ‘that this house rejects atheism’.

For context, Professor Bocking founded UCC’s Study of Religions Department, which studies theories of religion and atheism in a methodologically agnostic way. For clarification, he has said on our YouTube channel that the arguments that he made in this debate apply as much to theism as they do to atheism, and that his argument was against the elevation of any ‘-ism’ over the service ethic in matters of government.

Paul Hannah of Brisbane has written the following response to the specific arguments made by Professor Bocking in the debate.

As atheism is not a religion we have no supreme leader to speak for us, nor could that be possible. Atheists can be conservative, liberal, racist, homophobic, democratic, communist, socialist, sports mad and sports indifferent. We are so diverse that no one *could* represent us. However, as an atheist I feel qualified, at least in some respect, to correct a few misapprehensions you appear to have in relation to people like me. So when I say ‘we’ below, I speak only from my experience and not as any sort of spokesperson.

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Atheists in the Pub – Dublin

Another month, another Atheists in the Pub!Pub Logo

It’s happening in MacTurcaill’s on Tara Street, near Tara St. Station from 7pm Thursday 21st of July in the snug area located at the centre of the bar.

If you would like to set up a meeting in your area for fellow freethinkers and heathens, please contact  click here@atheist.ie and we can help publicise the event via Facebook and Twitter

We are planning events where we will have guest speakers, and will be making arrangements for VIP speakers coming from overseas.  If you would like to have a known speaker on secularism and the non-theistic lifestance in your area, please do get in touch so we can make these arrangements for future events.

Atheist Ireland will soon be holding a series of nationwide meetings regarding current and future campaigns.

Hope to see you soon.

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The really, truly True Believer™ of the Month Award June 2011

In the true style of it being impossible for Atheists to agree on just about everything, Junes believer award was a three way split between the comical, the serious and the tragic showing that the vagaries of religion can leave us open mouth at just how badly the religious can mess the world up in just about every way.

The tragic has my thoughts going out to the family and friends of 58 year old taxi driver who was so infected with his own true belief that he nailed himself to a cross in an act of self-crucifixion. All too often those who spout religious beliefs are lending credence to those amongst us who have genuine medical issues and start to hear voices or have delusions of religious grandeur. Rather than seeking medical assistance they attach false significance to their symptoms and here we have yet another victim of that mindset. The blood of this man’s death is on the hands of all those that spread the lies of religion that allow such people to interpret their symptoms in the light of such lies and follow through with them.

The serious comes from Trevor Phillips the chair of Britain’s Equality and Human Rights commission who… with all the concern of a man interested in Equality and Human Rights… claims that churches should be free to discriminate against anyone they like from women to homosexuals. I will leave others to pick over that one and it’s implications on the role he holds.

Finally the comical or as comical as something can be when it is also actually a tragedy but sometimes one can only laugh in the face of the tragedies religion brings to our world… I speak of laughing from despair not mirth…. A pastor in South Africa was murdered by people who accused him of possessing…. A Magic Penis. Not before his wife metamorphosised into an animal to terrorize the community. Her animal of choice being a snail. Terrifying creature indeed, but clearly not as terrifying as what religion and superstition does to the human mind. They should be more terrified of what their ignorance and religions have turned them into.

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Teaching about Religions and Beliefs

by Jane Donnelly

 

The Mater Dei Institute is at it again.

Link to the pdf of their Submission to the Forum on Education

In their Submission to the Forum on Education they again recommend the Toledo Guiding Principles but state that this education cannot be adequately described by the use of the terms such as “objective”.

These people even quote from the Toledo Guiding Principles but conveniently leave out Page 68 – State neutrality and opt out rights.

“Under International Standards, states have considerable latitude with respect to providing religious education but may not seek to indoctrinate pupils in a particular worldview through the educational system against the wishes of the pupils’ parents. The European Court of human Rights has made clear that:-

The State, in fulfilling the functions assumed by it in regard to education and teaching, must take care that information or knowledge included in the curriculum is conveyed in an objective, critical and pluralistic manner. The state is forbidden to pursue an aim of indoctrination that might not be considered as not respecting parents’ religious and philosophical convictions. This is the limit that must not be exceeded.

The State may satisfy this duty of neutrality either by designing a curriculum that is itself sufficiently impartial and balanced or, in those instances in which the state provides instruction in a particular religion or belief, by granting rights to opt out on the ground of conscientious objection. This right must be realizable in practice, and not a mere theoretical possibility. Moreover, the requisite neutrality would be compromised if pupils were subjected to any disadvantage discrimination or stigma on account of the exercise of this right to be exempted from such classes, or elements of classes.”

What do they not understand about the words ‘objective’ and this is the limit that must not be exceeded. This is something that we must be very careful about as Atheist Ireland supports the Toledo Guiding Principles. We need to ensure that if the Toledo Guiding Principles are introduced it is not the Toledo Guiding Principles according to the Mater Dei Institute which is a foundation of the Archdiocese of Dublin.

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Transcripts of WAC talks from ILCAFT & AAU

Michael Mpagi Kirumira from AAU was unable to make it to the Conference at the last minute, but he sent us his speech which was read out to the audience by Stuart Bechman. We also have the script of Roger Lepeix of ILCAFT who addressed the Conference as well.

Hello Fellow Atheists,

Greetings from the Atheist Association of Uganda. It’s a pleasure to know that we, in Uganda can have a chance to write to this congregation of bright minds. It’s very hard to imagine how life is with other people who see life just as we see it. This was going to be my speech – had I made it to this event! A friend of mine, once told me that there’s only two curses, one is to be born in Africa and to be poor (I do not believe in strong holds and curses but to give you a greater understanding, I have used the words.) Since year 2000, I have received many invitations to speak in conferences, but all my visas are denied, simply because I am poorer – most EU states, Australia, USA and Canada, all think that I will remain in their country. Am not sure why they judge me like that.

Am writing from Uganda, a country whose president (President Museveni), his wife, and the first daughters, are pastors and run a church alongside the State issues. Their church is called The Covenant Nations Church. This church is under Museveni’s daughter Patience Rwaboogo Museveni who is a pastor and her church service airs on LTV here in Kampala. Museveni’s supporters have now created a cult that you may call “Musevenism”. Museveni himself is like a god. We have heard President Museveni himself telling Ugandans to trust and respect God by not challenging him on many issues failing our country. His wife Janet Museveni is the patron of all Pentecostal churches of Uganda and when she was running for Member of Parliament for Ruhama county, she told the masses that she is being sent by God to run for a political office and that she has God’s phone number. Despite of all those allegations, their regime is the most corrupt and oppressive Government. In simple terms, it’s a group of criminals running the Nation’s affairs and, worst of it all, they are supported by Ireland, USA, Australia, and many more. Since year 1994, President Museveni has donated public funds worthy millions of shillings to religious groups and is publically proud of it.

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Dublin Declaration on Secularism and the Place of Religion in Public Life

On Sunday 5 June 2011, the World Atheist Convention in Dublin discussed and adopted the following declaration on secularism and the place of religion in public life. Please discuss and promote it with your friends and colleagues, and if you are a a member of an atheist, humanist or secular group, please discuss and promote it with your fellow members, and with the media and politicians.

1. Personal Freedoms

(a) Freedom of conscience, religion and belief are private and unlimited. Freedom to practice religion should be limited only by the need to respect the rights and freedoms of others.
(b) All people should be free to participate equally in the democratic process.
(c) Freedom of expression should be limited only by the need to respect the rights and freedoms of others. There should be no right ‘not to be offended’ in law. All blasphemy laws, whether explicit or implicit, should be repealed and should not be enacted.

2. Secular Democracy

(a) The sovereignty of the State is derived from the people and not from any god or gods.
(b) The only reference in the constitution to religion should be an assertion that the State is secular.
(c) The State should be based on democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Public policy should be formed by applying reason, and not religious faith, to evidence.
(d) Government should be secular. The state should be strictly neutral in matters of religion and its absence, favouring none and discriminating against none.
(e) Religions should have no special financial consideration in public life, such as tax-free status for religious activities, or grants to promote religion or run faith schools.
(f) Membership of a religion should not be a basis for appointing a person to any State position.
(g) The law should neither grant nor refuse any right, privilege, power or immunity, on the basis of faith or religion or the absence of either.

3. Secular Education

(a) State education should be secular. Religious education, if it happens, should be limited to education about religion and its absence.
(b) Children should be taught about the diversity of religious and nonreligious philosophical beliefs in an objective manner, with no faith formation in school hours.
(c) Children should be educated in critical thinking and the distinction between faith and reason as a guide to knowledge. Science should be taught free from religious interference.

4. One Law For All

(a) There should be one secular law for all, democratically decided and evenly enforced, with no jurisdiction for religious courts to settle civil matters or family disputes.
(b) The law should not criminalise private conduct because the doctrine of any religion deems such conduct to be immoral, if that private conduct respects the rights and freedoms of others.
(c) Employers or social service providers with religious beliefs should not be allowed to discriminate on any grounds not essential to the job in question.

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Blog Round-up after the Conference

Here’s a round-up of some of the thoughts on the conference from various people around the web.

UPDATE:

A Gloriously Godless Weekend (Part 1 )from Adventures of a Middle-Aged Boy is up: “The weekend began – as all weekends should – on Thursday.”
Part 2 is here
and Part 3 is here

Over on Why Evolution is True, Jerry Coyne asks: Are there too many atheist meetings?

Maryam Namazie has written The Islamic Inquisition. She gave a truly rousing and memorable speech on the politicisation of Islam and its consequences for ordinary Muslims.

Over on RichardDawkins.net you can read Bulletins from the Dublin Atheist Conference.

Also, don’t miss this entertaining moment from the Conference where Richard Dawkins was challenged by a Muslim Creationist.

P.Z. Myers has written various pieces about it over on Pharyngula.

Furious Purpose has written an analysis of a number of the panels as has Consider The Teacosy with an especially interesting piece called “Conference musings: Atheists, non-atheists, and the Four Horsemen. ”

Atheist Alliance International President Tanya Smith has written about it too and makes particular mention of non-Western members of A.A.I. and some of the unique troubles faced by them.

It has also been reported on in the Irish Times by Patsy McGarry “Dawkins urges constitutional reform to remove church role” and Róisín Ingle in “Our 256,000 (and counting) atheists, agnostics, humanists and non-religious“.

You can also see numerous photographs and video clips up on our Facebook page and keep an eye on our Youtube channel for more videos still to come.

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The really, truly True Believer™ of the Month Award May 2011

Another month of two winners. Can Atheists not agree on anything. Herding cats indeed :)

The first of the winners is Kirk Cameron… the guy who on a hot day once started talking to himself in cars and decided that rather than this meaning he required serious medical input into the state of his mind…. decided instead that this new development meant there must be a god. As he tells it he started talking to himself in a car one day and “I opened my eyes and realised something had changed in me”. Damn right Kirk. You had just become the kind of guy who sits in hot cars alone on the side of the road talking to himself. Something HAD changed very fundamentally, and it needs to be diagnosed.

How did he come to the attention of this months award however? Well it seems that he has decided to take the sum total of all his scientific notions and to apply them to the works of Stephen Hawking, which he sums up by saying that Hawkings idea only get a free pass because he is in a wheelchair and this makes other scientists too embarrassed to critique him and it would be like bullying a blind man to do so.

Joining him in first place with the lunacy stakes is recent Stroke victim Harold Camping who… possibly fueled by whatever medical condition affected his brain in such a way as to have him hospitalised, decided that the Judgement day would fall in this month, followed by the end of the world sometime in October. The money he has made from this canard in the form of donations or devotional offerings is likely currently funding his medical bills…. showing that on one level at least he had his timing JUST right.

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Dublin Declaration on Religion in Public Life – opinions welcome

This weekend, June 3-5, the World Atheist Convention will take place in Dublin. On Sunday we will discuss and adopt the Dublin Declaration on Religion in Public Life. This will be a follow-up to the Copenhagen Declaration that was adopted at last year’s convention in Denmark.

We will discuss two alternative formats for the Dublin Declaration. The first is an adaptation of the Copenhagen Declaration that addresses some ambiguities that existed within it, and the second is a rewrite from scratch proposed by Richard Green of Atheism UK.

Whether or not you are attending the Convention, we would be happy to hear your opinions on this, including suggestions for improving either version. If you comment on this post, we will try to incorporate your comments into the discussion of the Declaration.

Draft Declaration A

1. Personal Freedoms

(a) Freedom of conscience, religion and belief are unlimited. Freedom to practice religion should be limited only by the need to respect the rights of others.

(b) All people should be free to participate equally in public life, and should be treated equally before the law and in the democratic process.

(c) Freedom of expression should be limited only as prescribed in international law. All blasphemy laws should be repealed.

2. Secular Democracy

(a) Society should be based on democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Public policy should be formed by applying reason to evidence.

(b) Government should be secular. The state should be strictly neutral in matters of religion, favoring none and discriminating against none.

(c) Religions should have no special financial consideration in public life, such as tax-free status for religious activities, or grants to promote religion or run faith schools.

3. Secular Education

(a) State education should be secular. Children should be taught about the diversity of religious beliefs in an objective manner, with no faith formation in school hours.

(b) Children should be educated in critical thinking and the distinction between faith and reason as a guide to knowledge. Science should be taught free from religious interference.

4. One Law For All

(a) There should be one law for all, democratically decided and evenly enforced, with no jurisdiction for religious courts to settle civil matters or family disputes.

(b) The law should not criminalize private conduct that respects the rights of others because the doctrine of any religion deems such conduct to be immoral.

(c) Employers or social service providers with religious beliefs should not be allowed to discriminate on any grounds not essential to the job in question.

Draft Declaration B

1. No Divine Right

The sovereignty of the State is not derived from any God.

2. Secular State

(1) The Constitution must not contain any direct or indirect reference to any God, Faith or Religion.

(2) The Constitution and/or State Action must neither require nor prohibit Faith, Religion or the Manifestation of Religion.

(3) State Institutions must not include members of any Religion because of their membership of it.

(4) State Action must not be based upon any God, Faith or Religion.

(5) State Money must not be applied, directly or indirectly, to support, further, promote or advocate any Religion or the Manifestation of Religion as such.

(6) Faith or the Manifestation of Religion must not form any part of the Law.

(7) The Law must neither grant nor refuse any right, privilege, power or immunity, on the basis of Faith or Religion or the lack of either.

3. Education

(1) The Law must not require a State School to provide Religious Education.

(2) If a State School provides Religious Education, it must be Balanced Religious Education.

(3) A State School must not provide the Manifestation of Religion.

4. Blasphemy

The Law must not prohibit the denial (in whatever manner) of Faith or of the Manifestation of Religion.

5. Religious Codes

The Law must not recognise and State Institutions must not enforce any Religious Code.

6. Definitions

In this Declaration:-

“Balanced Religious Education” means Religious Education:-
(1) the subject matter of which is:-
(a) God, Faith or Religion in general; and
(b) the lack of Faith and Religion;
(2) which includes specific Gods or Religions only by way of example;
(3) which does not promote one God or Religion over another;
(4) which does not promote Faith or Religion over the lack of either.

“Constitution” means a State’s constitution, whether codified or not, and includes:-
(1) the constitutions of State Institutions;
(2) provisions as to the relationship between:-
(a) State Institutions;
(b) a State Institution and an individual,
including provisions for State Actions;

“Faith” means belief that God exists;

“God” means a super-empirical object or process;

“Law” means the law embodied in:-
(1) the Constitution;
(2) primary and secondary legislative acts; and
(3) judicial decisions;

“Manifestation of Religion” means the worship, teaching, practice or observance of any Religion;

“Religion” means a social system the members of which exhibit Faith;

“Religious Education” means education (whether by way of a discrete subject or as part of any other subject), the subject matter of which is God, Faith or Religion.

“Religious Code” means any code of which Faith or the Manifestation of Religion forms part;

“State” includes a supra-national organization;

“State Actions” includes:-
(1) primary and secondary legislative acts;
(2) judicial decisions; and
(3) administrative acts;

“State Institution” means the institutions comprising the State, including:-
(1) the head of state;
(2) the judiciary;
(3) the legislature;
(4) the executive; and
(5) institutions within or under them;

“State Money” means money which is the subject of the revenue and expenditure of the State;

“State School” means any school which is:-
(1) a State Institution;
(2) maintained by the State; or
(3) otherwise funded, wholly or partly, by State Money.

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World Atheist Conference is now sold out!

In spite of the impending Rapture, tickets to the World Atheist Conference are now sold out.
We’re looking forward to meeting you all  in Dublin on the 3rd of June.





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