Superstitious Fool wrote:So if one may ask a personal question, why atheist activism and not comfortable agnosticism?
I can only answer for myself but the answer would come in this form. There is no subject that I am interested in politically or socially or morally where faith isn’t a conversation stopper on the topic. I am militant against religion because religion doesn’t give me a choice.
I would gladly leave people of faith alone and be a comfortable "armchair atheist" as termed above but I am not _let_. Every subject I display an interest in debating or discussing the conversation invariably ends up with "But its gods will and if you disagree with me you will be burning in the fires of hell when you are dead" or some other such reply.
Stem Cell research, war, Homosexuality, Abortion, social morality, law, education curriculum’s, the use of condoms in HIV ravaged Africa.... you name it.... people do not have opinions or evidence or citations to back up their opinions so they just spout out some standpoint and claim god endorses it. The conversation ends there. How can it not?
It is for that reason I would be a militant secularist. As you will have seen from all my posts on your own site I am perfectly ok with people of faith, I just do not accept the use of god in debate. For ANY fact or reason you put forward in debate you are ALWAYS expected to prove that fact or reason. With statistics you show the study and the results. With quotes you cite the person who said them. With studies you cite the paper. With history you cite the history books and newspapers and proofs.
With god..... nothing. People just declare there is a god and then use that to back up a premise. Not..... good..... enough. It is not one rule for theists and one rule for non theists. Non theists back up every claim they make, its not wrong of me to expect the same of theists. If you want to make a second level premise predicated on the first level premise that there is a god.... have the decency to prove your god exists or withdraw the point.
And constantly the damage is uncountable. Homosexuals are actively denied the same rights that we have. The only reasons to support this are arguments from the divine. No one ever gives any other reasons for there being anything wrong with homosexuality.
The HIV ravaged Africas have people preaching the evils of condom use. The ONLY reason given is arguments from the divine. There is NO real reasons for not using condoms and the damage caused by this preaching is all too clear.
Even on your own site you have reference to a family torn apart by grief because they have been told the IVF procedure they underwent was "evil" and now they blame themselves for the cancer their child has. Why is IVF evil? The only reason given is that from the divine. Nothing else.
I really can think of no other area of our discourse where people get away with making claims they cant back up in order to make "second level" claims as I term them.
This is the _only_ problem I have with faith really. For all I know there is a god. For all I know even if there isn’t a god maybe homosexuals ARE wrong and IVF IS immoral. However we can not, and should not, operate on what MIGHT be true, only what we KNOW is true and so far nothing has been shown to support these positions on gays, condoms, IVF etc.
It is possible to be a theist and secular and theistic secular behaviour is all I fight for. Your faith is your own and I have no problems with it. Never have, and I assume never will.
I hope this clarifies my own position at least, I do not know how many other people on this site I speak for. Have a good day, and may your god go with you.