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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:24 pm
by FXR
rtcostelloe wrote:You know what no matter what people feel I think it's nice the rté want to have a multicultural call to prayer on the channel. It shows that they are trying to move with the times and trying to change, but we have to face facts that even though we live in a very modern society in other areas we're still a backward and frightened nation. So if rté still want to put on the Angelus for the majority of people who want to see, so the fuck what! When did Atheism become about attacking every little thing about the Catholic Church? Isn't it about your own personal beliefs and wanting respect for those beliefs? And the thing about wanting respect is that first you have to give respect.
Firstly this station is paid for by a levy which no one can opt out of. They do not pay on the basis of their beliefs and no one has a choice once a TV is purchased. Since that's the case the recipient, RTE, has no right to spend an inordinate amount of regular airtime promoting something as incidental as a particular religion. The money is not paid on the basis of religious belief so the money should not be spent on the basis of a partcular religious belief.

The Angelus in not multicultural. It's the tyranny of the majority with a few brown faces thrown in as a damage limation exercise to perpetuate the exercise.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:17 pm
by Superstitious Fool
FXR wrote:Firstly this station is paid for by a levy which no one can opt out of. They do not pay on the basis of their beliefs and no one has a choice once a TV is purchased. Since that's the case the recipient, RTE, has no right to spend an inordinate amount of regular airtime promoting something as incidental as a particular religion. The money is not paid on the basis of religious belief so the money should not be spent on the basis of a partcular religious belief.

The Angelus in not multicultural. It's the tyranny of the majority with a few brown faces thrown in as a damage limation exercise to perpetuate the exercise.
Actually I think the television broadcast of the Angelus is now insulting not only to Catholics but to anyone of intelligence. The systematic elimination of any Christian, let alone Catholic, imagery leaves us with something no different from a Coca-Cola "I'd like to teach the world to sing" advertisement. I switch channels. When it's on the radio, I say the rosary; they can't mess with the bells.

But as for "spending an inordinate amount of regular airtime promoting something as incidental as a particular religion," I don't think two minutes a day counts as that. (Any other "religious" programming about Catholicism is invariably slanted in favour of dissident liberal Catholics. The funeral of John Paul II was an exception, but that was a news item rather than religious programming.)

On the other hand, I loathe and detest sport of all kinds. Yet hours and hours are given to it every week for which I, like you, am paying.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:29 pm
by FXR
Superstitious Fool wrote:
But as for "spending an inordinate amount of regular airtime promoting something as incidental as a particular religion," I don't think two minutes a day counts as that. (Any other "religious" programming about Catholicism is invariably slanted in favour of dissident liberal Catholics. The funeral of John Paul II was an exception, but that was a news item rather than religious programming.)

On the other hand, I loathe and detest sport of all kinds. Yet hours and hours are given to it every week for which I, like you, am paying.
When I say an inordinate amount of time I'm not just talking about the ding dongs.
Every Sunday morning they broadcast a Mass.

At the investure of the new CEO of a foreign state they carried live and more importantly completely uncritical coverage of the whole thing as they did the funeral of his predecessor.

They also covered the post death promotion live of some guy from Mount Argus as they did World (catholic) youth day.

On the news nightly on the back of every car crash or tragedy they invariably interview the local priest even though he may have had no personal knowledge of the victims. Last week they panned across a church where Mr. Brady (upper management tier) was speaking to a 2/3rds empty building and then interviewed him on his opinion of how our country should be run. He's not elected and could'nt even pull a crowd of his own.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:02 pm
by Superstitious Fool
FXR wrote:Every Sunday morning they broadcast a Mass.
True, or it might be a service from the very small Church of Ireland or another even smaller Protestant church. Public service broadcasting for the sick or elderly (license-payers, though perhaps not the elderly) who would like to get to a church but can't. Anyway they have downgraded the Sunday morning broadcast on radio to Long Wave.
FXR wrote:At the investure of the new CEO of a foreign state they carried live and more importantly completely uncritical coverage of the whole thing as they did the funeral of his predecessor.

News stories, as perhaps the viewing figures would suggest. Good television by any standard as spectacles. (ITV and Sky weren't too different in their coverage.) You would probably find plenty of "comment" programmes on which the shortcomings of both the dead Pope and his successor – according to the Irish Times world-view – were explored in detail and unchallenged.
FXR wrote:They also covered the post death promotion live of some guy from Mount Argus as they did World (catholic) youth day.

New story of interest to a great many Dubliners of the class who don't read the Irish Times, and spectacle.
FXR wrote:On the news nightly on the back of every car crash or tragedy they invariably interview the local priest even though he may have had no personal knowledge of the victims. Last week they panned across a church where Mr. Brady (upper management tier) was speaking to a 2/3rds empty building and then interviewed him on his opinion of how our country should be run. He's not elected and could'nt even pull a crowd of his own.
The priest talking about the car crash is just tabloid television. Show me a single instance in which a priest took the opportunity to make a religious point. As for Cardinal Brady, he was the first senior Catholic figure to comment on the reasons for the Lisbon outcome. Hard news.

Honestly, sometimes when religion gets television coverage it is just because it will generate viewer figures. Just like the All-Ireland Final or some British football match which I don't want to know about. So I turn off the television, or change channels, or read a book — just as you can do when something comes on that bores you.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:52 pm
by FXR
I've been in the process of answering that four time now and every time this thing loses the connection. I'l have a go tomorrow ar

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:18 pm
by Superstitious Fool
FXR wrote:I've been in the process of answering that four time now and every time this thing loses the connection.
The Hand of God.

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:02 am
by Alexis
Superstitious Fool wrote:
On the other hand, I loathe and detest sport of all kinds. Yet hours and hours are given to it every week for which I, like you, am paying.
Why are you paying for something you loathe and detest? I wouldn't :lol:

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:03 am
by Alexis
Superstitious Fool wrote:
The Hand of God.
Is that another way of describing masturbation :roll:

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:54 am
by FXR
Alexis wrote:
Superstitious Fool wrote:
On the other hand, I loathe and detest sport of all kinds. Yet hours and hours are given to it every week for which I, like you, am paying.
Why are you paying for something you loathe and detest? I wouldn't :lol:
You do know we'er talking about the TV licence don't ya or are you barricaded into your TV room ready to defend yourself with a set of rabbit ears....

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:21 pm
by FXR
FXR wrote:Every Sunday morning they broadcast a Mass.
Superstitious Fool wrote: True, or it might be a service from the very small Church of Ireland or another even smaller Protestant church. Public service broadcasting for the sick or elderly (license-payers, though perhaps not the elderly) who would like to get to a church but can't. Anyway they have downgraded the Sunday morning broadcast on radio to Long Wave.
I've only ever seen them braodcast the CCL version on Sunday mornings but granted I don't make a habit of watching it every Sunday. Moving the radio version to Long Wave might just show how afraid they are of cancelling it alltoghter.

FXR wrote:At the investure of the new CEO of a foreign state they carried live and more importantly completely uncritical coverage of the whole thing as they did the funeral of his predecessor.

Superstitious Fool wrote:News stories, as perhaps the viewing figures would suggest. Good television by any standard as spectacles. (ITV and Sky weren't too different in their coverage.) You would probably find plenty of "comment" programmes on which the shortcomings of both the dead Pope and his successor – according to the Irish Times world-view – were explored in detail and unchallenged.

The other stations reported on the event. RTE on the other hand broadcast it like the Media Wing of the Vatican. If it was the head of any other state they would not have left out his handling of child rape but in Rome that's a no no.

(the event in question)
http://www.catholic.ie/
FXR wrote:They also covered the post death promotion live of some guy from Mount Argus as they did World (catholic) youth day.

Superstitious Fool wrote: New story of interest to a great many Dubliners of the class who don't read the Irish Times, and spectacle.

I don't think a handful of religious Dubs justifys an outside live broadcast from Italy with the attendant expense of flying over an entire production. If that number of people merited that kind of coverage the entire scheduel would be swamped with hours of live local pub quiz teams, wife carrying from Kerry, and stamp collectors weekly meetings.

Superstitious Fool wrote: The priest talking about the car crash is just tabloid television. Show me a single instance in which a priest took the opportunity to make a religious point. As for Cardinal Brady, he was the first senior Catholic figure to comment on the reasons for the Lisbon outcome. Hard news.


Running around every car wreck and tragedy to the local priest for comment is just 1030's Ireland alive and well in RTE. The very fact of putting him on as some sort of community "leader" is a religious statment in itself. Notice the difference when the same type of events are reported on other stations. RTE by comparison looks like a co-promotino for religion and funeral directors.

Mr. Brady is not elected by anyone so his opinion is no more reportable than the man in the street. Like I said in the same broadcast the report inadvertedely showed the guy could'nt even pull a crowd.
Superstitious Fool wrote: Honestly, sometimes when religion gets television coverage it is just because it will generate viewer figures. Just like the All-Ireland Final or some British football match which I don't want to know about. So I turn off the television, or change channels, or read a book — just as you can do when something comes on that bores you.
It's not the fact it gets coverage it a case of what's covered in what way and what is convienently left out. While they report propoganda statements from Herr Ratzinger in Rome they have in the past months managed to leave out his more whacky ones like "zee fires of hell zay are reel" or the one about the south american natives and catholicism "Zecretely they must havf been wishing for Christianity which vas not imposed by force" (the muskets must have acted independently)