Child-Raping Priests

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Child-Raping Priests

Post by tony » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:32 pm

Please see below interesting article from the RTE website. The church wants to screen new priests coming into seminaries to make sure they dont have child rapist tendencies.

Psychotherapist warning over Church abuse
Thursday, 13 November 2008 22:22

A leading psychotherapist has warned that Vatican plans to 'screen' student priests may not put a stop to child sexual abuse by clerics unless the Catholic Church introduces far-reaching changes.

Writing in The Irish Catholic, Marie Keenan warned that while screening is attractive to some conservative bishops, it's a mistaken approach if seminaries and clerical life are not also scrutinised.

Dr Keenan is a UCD academic who has worked extensively with sex offenders and who mediated at a meeting of the hierarchy during the clerical child abuse crisis in Ferns.
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Her article challenges the Vatican's recent recommendation that seminarians undergo 'psychological evaluations' and that their training be interrupted if they demonstrate grave immaturity like difficulties with the celibate life.

Dr Keenan disputes that existing screening for many Irish dioceses prevents sexual offending.

While not dismissing it altogether, she cites several studies indicating that psychological profiles of clergy offenders are not much different from 'normal' clergy and that they demonstrate little abnormal psychology.

She says we must look beyond individual psychology and to what happens to clergy in seminaries and in living as Catholic priests.

Her research indicated seminarians' normal vulnerabilities are not addressed in the course of their professional training and that clergy who've abused have been poorly trained for celibate living.

She concludes that if the Church really wants to look further into preventing boundary violations by its clergy, it should openly and frankly review its theology of sexuality, seriously overhaul its governance structures and review its power relations and the operations of clerical culture.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1113/religion.html
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Post by DanCorb » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:03 am

This screening seems useless to me.

I'm sure men don't enter the priesthood with child raping tendencies. That comes with the years of sexual repression as a result of being a priest.
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Post by dj357 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:50 am

DanCorb wrote:This screening seems useless to me.

I'm sure men don't enter the priesthood with child raping tendencies. That comes with the years of sexual repression as a result of being a priest.


in fairness though, it's probably good to catch the odd ones who will already have these tendencies, instead of having them enter a life which invariably compound those tendencies and bring them to the fore.
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Post by Ygern » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:04 pm

I don't think the screening will help much. As the woman said, studies have shown

... psychological profiles of clergy offenders are not much different from 'normal' clergy ...


I mean, lets face it, wanting to go into an institution where you will have to face a lifetime of celibacy is a little odd for starters... to my mind someone who shows they have
difficulties with the celibate life
is the normal one.

I'm afraid that far too many of the men entering the priesthood are men who have major issues with their own sexuality and with basic socialisation skills. That doesn't make them rapists by any means, but trying to test for 'normal' among this bunch is like trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack.
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Post by FXR » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:29 pm

It's catch 22 in reverse: You'd have to be mad to want to be a Catholic priest but you can't be a Catholic priest if your'e mad.

When I read the original announcement in the Times I was going to write in a suggest why not test the thousands already in the organisation. It's alos interesting that Herr Ratzinger declares war on secularism one day and a while later suggests using secular standards to filter new recruits.

What happen to the "hollee spirit" whispering vocations into new recruits ears and guiding them to the priesthood?
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Post by Ygern » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:35 pm

FXR wrote:

What happen to the "hollee spirit" whispering vocations into new recruits ears and guiding them to the priesthood?


Hearing voices in your head is called schizophrenia these days. So I'm guessing most sane people try not to go down that path to convince others of their piety.
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Post by Superstitious Fool » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:36 pm

First of all, a pedantic quibble. The title of this thread lacks a hyphen; or else there is a very wicked and priapic child of remarkable physical strength with an eccentric sexual preference.

DanCorb wrote:This screening seems useless to me.

I'm sure men don't enter the priesthood with child raping tendencies. That comes with the years of sexual repression as a result of being a priest.

Secondly, and this is not special pleading, just an attempt at rebuttal to be taken on its merits: Priests who abuse boys or girls seem to be those who were immature when they became priests, or else had themselves been abused as children. Emotionally and sexually mature priests who are frustrated by celibacy are more likely to have sex with adult women. Men who were uneasy with their non-mainstream sexual urges seem to have thought that the sacrament of Holy Orders would have empowered them to control those urges; indeed there may well have been some who succeeded.

A sexual preference for children is, I understand, just as common among men who are not priests and indeed among men who join the clergy in other churches that allow priest to marry.

So I cannot see how anyone could object to a process to screen out men who are sexually immature or have deviant sexual tendencies.
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Post by Ygern » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:56 pm

Michael,

I agree completely on the pedantic quibble. You are completely correct.

On the screening issue, I don't think that I would object to it, if I thought it would work. But there seems to be doubt as to whether it would in fact be an accurate determinator in filtering out these men.

I certainly don't think that becoming a priest makes anyone a paedophile (rubbish) or that it makes someone more likely to be a paedophile (equally rubbish).

However, I do think that the privileged and somewhat sequestered lifestyle of a priest is attractive to certain emotionally unbalanced young men seeking some sort of refuge from the real world - and I'm not referring to child molesters here. Just men with sexuality issues that they don't want to deal with.

As a result, I think that any screening test will have the impossible task of trying to sort the 'normal' emotionally unbalanced individuals from those who would actually harm defenceless children.
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Post by JH » Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:12 am

Not to mention any deviant priest who passes the screening process will be under less scrutiny and possibly feel they can get away with more.

I wonder what form the screening process takes? Are they going to wire their genitals up to monitors and force them to watch porn?

The sad fact is that there are priests abusing children right now, and they will continue. One solution is to disband the priesthood and abolish the christian church. Either that or castrate them when they enter the priesthood to eliminate sexual urges (they're priests, what do they need testosterone for?)
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Post by Superstitious Fool » Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:13 am

Ygern wrote:I do think that the privileged and somewhat sequestered lifestyle of a priest is attractive to certain emotionally unbalanced young men seeking some sort of refuge from the real world - and I'm not referring to child molesters here. Just men with sexuality issues that they don't want to deal with.

As a result, I think that any screening test will have the impossible task of trying to sort the 'normal' emotionally unbalanced individuals from those who would actually harm defenceless children.

I don't think they have a privileged and sequestered lifestyle any more; in fact I think it is quite a hard lifestyle and job even though (for arcane reasons to do mainly with liturgy) I don't like the way many of them do it. But if the screening is done by the best-qualified people, as I understand it is now, it must have a fair chance of detecting not only existing but also potential deviant tendencies. After that, it is up to management to keep an eye on things and root out any transgressors. My own local management in the diocese of Ferns failed scandalously to do so, but I hope lessons have been learned.
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