Child-Raping Priests

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Post by Patrick Fowke » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:20 pm

lostexpectation wrote:
Patrick Fowke wrote:
lostexpectation wrote:this report sums it up
Cloyne abuse report: one hand washes the other


As a Catholic, I am ashamed of some of the terrible crimes priests have done, in particular, with young, innocent children. And ashamed, also, the way those in power in the Church have failed to respond to reporting priests to the authorities because what they have committed aren't just very serious sins, but, also, very serious crimes for which they should be sent to court for, and if found guilty, sentenced to prison.

However, saying that, let's not forget that there are many decent priests and clerics who devote their lives to the happiness and betterment of others, including children.


you have name me priest who spoke out against this they are few and far between


That is true. Another question is, however, how many other priests knew? I mean evil is something that people, in general, try and hide, not publicize, for all sorts of reasons (legal / reputation and so on).
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Post by lostexpectation » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:31 pm

they knew
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"Walk of atonement" .....

Post by mellow » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:05 pm

I think the walk as an act to highlight the issue is to be applauded. To use the phrase "atonement" in conjunction with the act is (am I alone in finding this ....) ethically and morally questionable? At worst ... well I feel strongly.


From Irish Independant http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 88556.html

A dozen people yesterday joined a priest on his protest march over the Catholic church's handling of child abuse claims.
Fr Michael Mernagh set off alone on Monday morning from St Colman's Cathedral in Cobh, Co Cork, to the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin.
It is hoped that dozens more will now join his 'walk of atonement' before the group reaches the capital.
Fr Mernagh reached Youghal on the Cork-Waterford border on Monday evening, and yesterday set out across Waterford in cold but dry weather.However, he was delighted by the decision of almost a dozen people to join his walk as an act of Christian solidarity.

The Bishop of Cloyne, Dr John Magee -- in two statements on the child protection row -- has so far failed to give any indication of being willing to consider his position.

Perhaps he could walk to Dublin for atonement....
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Post by FXR » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:56 pm

Superstitious Fool wrote:
FXR wrote:It's also interesting that Herr Ratzinger declares war on secularism one day and a while later suggests using secular standards to filter new recruits.

A whole new thread beckons. Secular versus secularist. An even wider thread is possible on some forum for people who write dictionaries, about changing an adjective into an adverb by adding the suffix -ist. Please God count me out.


Has it occured to you yet that Herr Ratzinger aus Munchen is either a dangerously deluded old man or the cleverest atheist in history. He was'nt too shy about hiding behind secular laws when he claimed he did not have to answer calls to testify in court about covering up child rape becaues he was immune as a head of state.

Unless of course I missed that bit in the collection of myths know as the Bible.

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Post by Superstitious Fool » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:27 am

FXR wrote:Has it occured to you yet that Herr Ratzinger aus Munchen ...

Careful now. Down with this sort of thing. "Mr McDonagh of Dunsink Lane ..." We'll have you up before the Equality Tribunal and get damages, even if the sainted Director Crowley has been assumed into Irish Times Heaven.
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Re: Child-Raping Priests

Post by aZerogodist » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:33 pm

Description:
Deliver Us from Evil (2006) is a documentary film directed by Amy Berg which tells the true story of Catholic priest Oliver O'Grady, who sexually abused potentially hundreds of children between the late 1970s and early 1990s. The film won the Best Documentary Award at the 2006 Los Angeles Film Festival and was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.[1] The title refers to a line in the Lord's Prayer, or the "Our Father."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soFGYCM7cW4

Watch this, sounds exactly like whats going on in Cloyne. Oliver O'Grady is living in Ireland, note there are some disturbing discriptions, but these vid explains all.
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Post by Ygern » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:05 pm

It matters not one whit at all how many nice and decent priests there are in the world.
Nor do "atonement" walks from Cobh to Dublin amount to anything other than a sentimental but ultimately futile gesture.

If any Catholic, be they clerical or lay members, is truly horrified by this behaviour there are exactly two meaningful things they can do:

1. Make sure that sufficient measures are in place to prevent this sort of abuse from taking place ever again.
2. Ensure that each and every abuser as well as his enablers who sheltered him are prosecuted in a criminal court on charges of child molestation and aiding and abetting in the case of the enablers.

Anything else is about as significant as weeping into your teacup.
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Re: Child-Raping Priests

Post by aZerogodist » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:36 pm

Ygern wrote:It matters not one whit at all how many nice and decent priests there are in the world.
Nor do "atonement" walks from Cobh to Dublin amount to anything other than a sentimental but ultimately futile gesture.

Well in fairness this was in defiance of the church, the more priests that do not go with the flow the better, or maybe he is just guilty, but not allowed to speak out. I do find it amazing that one of the young priests that has spoke out was sexually assaulted when a child by a priest. This just shows that the higher ranks continue everyday to hide.

Ygern wrote:If any Catholic, be they clerical or lay members, is truly horrified by this behaviour there are exactly two meaningful things they can do:

1. Make sure that sufficient measures are in place to prevent this sort of abuse from taking place ever again.

How many times have we heard them say "everything is ok now, we have fixed it".
The only thing really is allow priests to marry (if its a sin to sleep with a woman and a sin to rape a child, then in their eyes its one or one). No where in the Bible does it say a priest cannot marry, the only reason they brought that in, was if the priest died then the church would get the estate as many rich did join the priesthood.
Ygern wrote:2. Ensure that each and every abuser as well as his enablers who sheltered him are prosecuted in a criminal court on charges of child molestation and aiding and abetting in the case of the enablers.

Anything else is about as significant as weeping into your teacup.

Yeap no only are the Bishops accountable like any bank manager, but the pope the main CEO. The pope was in charge of all of this before becoming the king of the church. (maybe he had some inside dirt on everyone else).

I would have no problem protesting outside Cobh-cath one Sunday morning. This is only the cream of the crop. If the church was a company then the Government would have gone in and seized all the reccords. The RC is going "what abuse claims do you know about"??
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Re: Child-Raping Priests

Post by Superstitious Fool » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:49 am

Ygern wrote:It matters not one whit at all how many nice and decent priests there are in the world.
Nor do "atonement" walks from Cobh to Dublin amount to anything other than a sentimental but ultimately futile gesture.

If any Catholic, be they clerical or lay members, is truly horrified by this behaviour there are exactly two meaningful things they can do:

1. Make sure that sufficient measures are in place to prevent this sort of abuse from taking place ever again.
2. Ensure that each and every abuser as well as his enablers who sheltered him are prosecuted in a criminal court on charges of child molestation and aiding and abetting in the case of the enablers.

Anything else is about as significant as weeping into your teacup.

I agree with every word of this. Most of us do.
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Re: Child-Raping Priests

Post by tony » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:58 pm

This whole controversy will just fade away and Brady and Magee know it. The Irsih government are waiting for this to happen too. They plan to do nothing like always.They will try to maintain the status quo. Idiots.

Irish Times Wednesday, January 14, 2009
Cardinal rejects calls for Bishop John Magee to step down
PATSY McGARRY and ANNE LUCEY

CALLS FOR Bishop of Cloyne John Magee to resign in the wake of a damning report on child protection practices in his diocese were rejected yesterday by the Catholic primate, Cardinal Seán Brady.

Speaking to reporters in Killarney, before an address to priests and people of the diocese of Kerry, Cardinal Brady said Bishop Magee had apologised and taken responsibility for what had happened.

“The main concern here is child safeguarding. I have known John Magee for almost 50 years and I have always found him a reliable and dependable person,” the cardinal said. “I know trust has been damaged, but trust can be restored and built up and even earned by genuine steps being taken to address the issues and the concerns of victims.”

Bishop Magee has faced calls for his resignation since the publication last month of an independent report which found his diocese had put children at risk of harm through an “inability” to respond appropriately to abuse allegations.

The report was conducted by the National Board for Safeguarding Children in the Catholic Church in Ireland (NBSC), a body set up by, but independent of the Catholic Church.

It found child protection practices in the Diocese of Cloyne to be “inadequate and in some respects dangerous”.

Cardinal Brady said yesterday that Bishop Magee had indicated his intention to introduce changes. These were being introduced “and strides are being made in his diocese”.

The cardinal’s comments were criticised by Maeve Lewis, chief executive of the group One in Four, which supports people who have experienced sexual abuse.

She said Minister of State for Children Barry Andrews had publicly stated his lack of confidence in the Bishop of Cloyne as patron of Catholic schools in the diocese.

“If the church authorities are refusing to take responsibility, we call on the Minister to step in and ensure that children are protected in Cloyne. We call unequivocally on the Bishop of Cloyne to resign,” she said.

There was no response last night to a query from The Irish Times to Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin, regarding Cardinal Brady’s comments.

In his address last night, the cardinal said there was “no pastoral issue more critical to the church in Ireland today than to ensure the right attitudes and right procedures are in place to safeguard children”.

He said “recent events also remind us that there is absolutely no room for complacency in this area.”

Cardinal Brady’s comments yesterday mean that three of the four Catholic archbishops in Ireland have now spoken unequivocally in support of Bishop Magee.

In The Irish Times last Friday, Archbishop of Cashel Dermot Clifford, said Bishop Magee had publicly committed himself to implementing best practice in safeguarding children. Archbishop of Tuam Michael Neary said it would not seem unreasonable that Bishop Magee be given the opportunity to address the crucial issues raised.
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