Another Indo screed - Marc Coleman this time

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Another Indo screed - Marc Coleman this time

Post by Geekzilla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:45 pm

Marc Coleman has waded in after Mary Kenny, adding in the murder of Shane Geoghegan to the murder of Baby P to blame on nonbelievers.

The article is a long(winded) rant blaming secularists for everything he sees wrong in society - he says the 1990s were where it all went wrong.

This leads to some rather odd comments - he complains about a Tommy Tiernan joke about Travellers (I don't follow Tiernan, so I don't know what he's referring to), but forgets that attitudes towards and names Travellers were called beforehand were pretty nasty. None of that is excusable, but Marc Coleman seems to believe that Ireland before the 1990s was some sepia-tinted paradise.

It look like the time beforehand was ideal - no mention of those who died from heoin addiction in Dublin during the 1980s; those who profited from selling that poison founded the organised crime that led to the violence that killed many, including Shane Geoghegan.

He even tries to mention subprime mortgages, though as a rhetorical device!

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analy ... 59858.html
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Post by lostexpectation » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:36 pm

i beginning to think that the indo editors are sitting there laughing their heads off.

God and the EU Constitution - The Case for the New Covenant
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http://www.studiesirishreview.ie/articl ... ies104.htm
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Post by nozzferrahhtoo » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:37 pm

Actually this is good, when we resubmit the complaint to the ombudsman we can now claim that not only did the editor NOT address our complaint in a timely and satisfactory manner, but the paper in fact went on to print the same kind of thing again.
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Post by CelticAtheist » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:48 pm

Yes, it all went bad in the 1990s, we actually stopped being a 3rd World country!

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Post by Ygern » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:27 pm

Its a shame they don't get Ian O'Doherty to write a piece on this. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he writes.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/colum ... -odoherty/
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Post by Superstitious Fool » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:48 pm

Ygern wrote:Its a shame they don't get Ian O'Doherty to write a piece on this. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he writes.
Oddly enough, so do I. I screen out his Catholic-bashing and enjoy the rest.
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Post by dj357 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:38 am

wow, great, a massive dick on the Indo....what an unbridled moron....
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Post by lostexpectation » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:47 am

Ygern wrote:Its a shame they don't get Ian O'Doherty to write a piece on this. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he writes.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/colum ... -odoherty/
he's the same as all those other people who write for the indo, it would be their style i disagree with, myers, doherty, coleman and kenny are despicable hacks.

i would have thought you would be fan of quality factual journalism something doherty knows nothing about.
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Post by bipedalhumanoid » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:02 am

lostexpectation wrote:
Ygern wrote:Its a shame they don't get Ian O'Doherty to write a piece on this. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he writes.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/colum ... -odoherty/
he's the same as all those other people who write for the indo, it would be their style i disagree with, myers, doherty, coleman and kenny are despicable hacks.
The indo is looking more like a cesspool of ignorance every day.
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Post by bipedalhumanoid » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:19 am

Here we go again...
I wrote: Sir,

For the second time in as many weeks we are confronted with the accusation that secularism is responsible for all of the problems in our society.

I'd like to direct Mary Kenny ("'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell" - 24/11), Marc Coleman ('Time to rebuild what secularists tried to wreck' -02/12) and anyone else who might seek to vilify secularists and non-believers, to a study published in the Journal of Religion and Society in 2005.

While examining the widely accepted assumption that religious belief is socially beneficial, the study's author (Gregory Paul) discovered that high levels of religiosity in a society directly correlate to high rates of Homicide, Suicide, Rape and Teen Pregnancy. Conversely, the most secular societies exhibited much lower rates of these indicators of societal dysfunction.

The study, compared crime rates and levels of religiosity in 18 prosperous democracies including Ireland, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Great Britain, France, Germany, Holland, Japan, Switzerland, Norway, Portugal, Austria, Spain, Italy, United States, Sweden and New Zealand.

This study should be viewed as food for thought for anyone who is of the opinion that secularism is to blame for all of our woes.

Source:

"Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies", Journal of Religion and Society, Volume 7/2005 - ISSN: 1522-5658

Yours,
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