Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by Atticus Bickle » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:34 pm

It would be funny if it wasnt so tragic. But we shouldnt make it a sob fest all the same....Charlie Brooker had a good piece in his new show Newswipe last night on BBC four and this new brand of condoms might be more to the Pope's liking-
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by saintsebastian » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:09 pm

lawlorlicious wrote:I'm not even seeing his argument on this: in what way do condoms worsen the spread of AIDS?
I believe what the Pope is saying is that the use of condoms increases the possibility of promiscuous sex which is primarily the medium for sexually transmitted disease. Faithful marriage and one partner promotes healthy intercourse and if single, then abstinence is the most absolute form of protection from disease. Condoms are not leakproof either as the location at which infections occur are at the base of the condom, not at the tip which renders a condom entirely ineffective at protecting anyone at the point of contact for infections which is groin to groin, not organ to organ.
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by aZerogodist » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:49 am

saintsebastian wrote:I believe what the Pope is saying is that the use of condoms increases the possibility of promiscuous sex which is primarily the medium for sexually transmitted disease. Faithful marriage and one partner promotes healthy intercourse and if single, then abstinence is the most absolute form of protection from disease. Condoms are not leakproof either as the location at which infections occur are at the base of the condom, not at the tip which renders a condom entirely ineffective at protecting anyone at the point of contact for infections which is groin to groin, not organ to organ.
intresting but abstinence didn't do Mary much good.
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by Ygern » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:52 am

saintsebastian wrote:
I believe what the Pope is saying is that the use of condoms increases the possibility of promiscuous sex ...
Yeah - we divined this one all by ourselves a few days ago... Vatican "Logic" is pretty obvious.
Condoms are not leakproof either as the location at which infections occur are at the base of the condom, not at the tip which renders a condom entirely ineffective at protecting anyone at the point of contact for infections which is groin to groin, not organ to organ.
Cute quote. Scientifically incorrect, but we all understand why you don't let the facts bother you. Your assertion there is a load of bollocks... with all due respect to bollocks.

And in any case, that's *not* what your Pope said. He claimed that condoms made the AIDS epidemic worse. That's a lie. You ought to be ashamed of him, lying in public like that.

If you're interested in reality (as opposed to make-believe stuff) check out the Center for Disease Control and Lancet
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by Patrick Fowke » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:12 am

Let's put more pressure on the governments in the West to relieve Third World debt, so that the Third World or Developing World can be elevated out of poverty - then people in this part of the world will be in a position to choose for themselves whether they want to use condoms or not.
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by Ygern » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:03 pm

Patrick, Third World debt and poverty are not the cause of the AIDS crisis in Africa. To be sure they exacerbate it, but lobbying for - to say nothing of achieving - a long term goal like this would not result in a noticable effect on the ground in Africa for years to come. So its not a particularly helpful suggestion with regard to combatting the spread of AIDS.

And when you are confronted with contracting sexually transmitted diseases, its not really an issue of people being in "a position to choose for themselves whether they want to use condoms or not". No-one on the planet would use condoms but for two facts: 1) they can prevent pregnancy and 2) they can prevent the transmission of STDs. If there is a high statistical likelihood that your sexual partner could have an STD then condoms are the sensible and responsible choice.

But, then again, this thread was not about that. It was about your pope making incorrect statements. He said that condoms made the AIDS epidemic worse in an attempt to dissuade people from practicing safe sex. It's hypothetically fine for him to say something along the lines of "I think usings condoms is immoral. I'm against it" (it would still be a daft and irresponsible thing to say, but he's entitled to his opinion). But he chose to make science-based claim that amounts to him lying to his followers. Do you still admire the Pope?
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by saintsebastian » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:31 pm

Ygern wrote:
saintsebastian wrote:
I believe what the Pope is saying is that the use of condoms increases the possibility of promiscuous sex ...
Yeah - we divined this one all by ourselves a few days ago... Vatican "Logic" is pretty obvious.
Condoms are not leakproof either as the location at which infections occur are at the base of the condom, not at the tip which renders a condom entirely ineffective at protecting anyone at the point of contact for infections which is groin to groin, not organ to organ.
Cute quote. Scientifically incorrect, but we all understand why you don't let the facts bother you. Your assertion there is a load of bollocks... with all due respect to bollocks.

And in any case, that's *not* what your Pope said. He claimed that condoms made the AIDS epidemic worse. That's a lie. You ought to be ashamed of him, lying in public like that.

If you're interested in reality (as opposed to make-believe stuff) check out the Center for Disease Control and Lancet
Of course condoms make the AIDS epidemic worse, the use of condoms encourages promiscuous sex which increases contact with AIDS, only abstinence decreases contact with AIDS
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Post by adamd164 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:16 pm

saintsebastian wrote: Of course condoms make the AIDS epidemic worse, the use of condoms encourages promiscuous sex which increases contact with AIDS, only abstinence decreases contact with AIDS
Before I respond properly to the statement, is this a WUM?! :?
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Re: Ratzinger claims condoms would worsen African AIDS crisis

Post by mkaobrih » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:38 pm

People will have sex – they are people - it’s natural and normal. adamd164 what’s a WUM?
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Post by Ygern » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:48 pm

WUM = Wind-up merchant, I think.

Yeah... it's hard to tell if that was intentional satire or just our weapons-grade stupid post of the week.
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