it should be your job to bring the evidence to validate your argument.....bockedy wrote:You're being deliberately obtuse about this and I don't appreciate it. See my posts yesterday at 8.53am and 8.42pm. In contradiction to the central thesis of that (and I use the following word advisedly) rubbish you posted, matter does indeed come into existence from nothing. That has been shown experimentally in the casimir effect. Look it up, do some leg work yourself, I am done spoon-feeding you this stuff.Adonai88 wrote:If you said it, i have not seen it. Can you point out where you say, why exactly it is rubbish ?bockedy wrote: Don't make me go round in circles and say why this is rubbish again.
If you do decide to finish up here, as a parting note we'd appreciate it if you left a note saying at what forums you'll be turning up at next, so we can forewarn the users there what to expect.
I have heard the argument of virtual particles ( correlatet to the casimir effect ) several
Quantum mechanics allows, and indeed requires, temporary violations of conservation of energy, so one particle can become a pair of heavier particles (the so-called virtual particles), which quickly rejoin into the original particle as if they had never been there.
So how could you imagine, these would form actually matter ?
*Casimir effect: This is the force between 2 macroscopic
conducting surfaces in a volume that contains only an
electromagnetic field (i.e., an electromagnetic field in a
vacuum). The zero-point energy of the electric field depends,
according to quantum mechanics, on the types of vibrations of the
field (mode frequencies), which in turn depend on the boundary
conditions on the field. This zero-point energy leads to a force
between the plates. The existence of this force was theoretically
predicted by H.B.G. Casimir and detected experimentally by M.J.
Sparnay in 1958. Both the sign and magnitude of the Casimir
effect depend on the geometry of the surfaces.
The Casimir effect, a curious consequence of quantum theory, may yet have practical applications
CAN something come of nothing? Philosophers debated that question for millennia before physics came up with the answer—and that answer is yes. For quantum theory has shown that a vacuum (ie, nothing) only appears to be empty space. Actually, it is full of virtual particles of matter and their anti-matter equivalents, which, in obedience to Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, flit in and out of existence so fast that they cannot usually be seen.
conclusively , it can be said, this is not a valid argument , to explain the bigbang ex nihilo deo.