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AGM

Post by Feardorcha » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:36 am

AGM reports?
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Re: AGM

Post by nozzferrahhtoo » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:41 pm

Since I was making a trip home to see family and friends and this meeting was only a few hours long I managed to get along to this meeting in the end. The AGM went well and without any hitchs.

The meeting started with MNugent and Grainne up the front sitting. No contributions from the latter at all alas, but she did appear to be taking a lot of notes, hopefully with the intention of making a report herself.

The meeting opened with a speech from the Senator. I have to admit knowing nothing about this senator, and heard mixed things about her and her voting record from some members later, but all in all it was a great talk from her, she put herself in our hands completely and said she will always be at our dispoal for everything we need. She also has a legal background which is something we really do need more of. All in all she made all the right noises in her talk and I look forward to everything she has to offer us in the coming year and beyond.

Dick S. of the Humanist association made a speech welcoming our group to the front lines. He said little of note in the way of where we should go, how we should get there or what assistance he was hoping to offer/recieve etc etc, but his speech was a pleasant way to welcome us into the arena. It was nice to see him there and to hear his kind words and some funny anecdotes from his experiences.

The rest of the meeting was essentially taken up with the Blasphemy laws. This I guess is both a good and a bad thing. It is great that we are focusing on it so heavily. It is a shame that we HAVE to spend this time on it however and it forces us to dominate our first AGM with it and it alone.

The main bone of contention in the discussion came with how forceful we should be in opposing it and in breaking it. One camp wanted to take a very soft approach. One camp (well one person to be honest) wanted to take the PZ Myers host desicration route. A middle ground was reached however. Our statement clearly has to be strong to be offensive. There is no way to offend someone politely and nicely. However the statement which will be offensive is to not only be offensive but to explore the love, peace, do unto others aspects that all of us share, religious or not. MG is planning to release a sample statement on this site in the coming days for us to discuss and critique.

Some other ideas were also explored and I cornered Michael Nugent at one point with some ideas that I will bounce off other members later on this site to see what people think.It would be helpful to have some people fault them and see if there are any holes in the plan. The main idea I had only came to me at the end of the meeting so I want to tease it out a little more.

Other than that there is very little to report. The meeting was videoed by the very new but already incredibly useful and productive Shaman on the forum! Well done for that. Seamus got a few new paid up members for the cause, and there was at least one reporter there taking notes and photos so I am sure we can expect to see something abuot the meeting in the coming days, but dont hold out hope. People who new the reporter in question said he is not exactly a follower of our mission statement to say the least.
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Re: AGM

Post by Feardorcha » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:39 pm

Much obliged Nozz. Food for thought. Sorry I couldn't make it.
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Re: AGM

Post by chemicals » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:20 pm

Indeed the said reporter will more than likely put the boot in :?
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Re: AGM

Post by smiffy » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:09 pm

chemicals wrote:Indeed the said reporter will more than likely put the boot in :?
Who was it?
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Re: AGM

Post by Conor » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:37 am

Here’s a report on the AGM from today’s Irish Times:

Blasphemy law a return to middle ages - Dawkins
ALISON HEALY


THE NEW blasphemy law will send Ireland back to the middle ages, and is wretched, backward and uncivilised, Prof Richard Dawkins has said.

The scientist and critic of religion has lent his support to a campaign to repeal the law, introduced by Atheist Ireland, a group set up last December, arising from an online discussion forum. The law, which makes the publication or utterance of blasphemous matter a crime punishable by a €25,000 fine, passed through the Oireachtas last week.

In a message read out at Atheist Ireland’s first agm on Saturday, Prof Dawkins said: “One of the world’s most beautiful and best-loved countries, Ireland has recently become one of the most respected as well: dynamic, go-ahead, modern, civilised – a green and pleasant silicon valley. This preposterous blasphemy law puts all that respect at risk.” He said it would be too kind to call the law a ridiculous anachronism.

“It is a wretched, backward, uncivilised regression to the middle ages. Who was the bright spark who thought to besmirch the revered name of Ireland by proposing anything so stupid?”

Messages of support for the campaign were also received from the creators of Father Ted Graham Linehan and Arthur Matthews, and the European Humanist Federation. The federation, which represents 42 organisations in 19 countries, said it was “appalled” at the new law and it was “a seriously retrograde step”.

At the agm, Atheist Ireland members voted to test the new law by publishing a blasphemous statement, deliberately designed to cause offence. The statement will be finalised in the coming days.

Atheist Ireland’s chairman Michael Nugent said the group wanted to highlight the ridiculousness of the law. Labour Senator and barrister Ivana Bacik told the meeting that an amendment provides for a review of the law within five years. “There’s a great potential to have this very much altered if not removed altogether,” she said. The new law invited people to make complaints to gardaí and would result in “a huge amount” of wasted Garda time, she said.

“So for lots of reasons I think it’s going to be highly problematic . . . and it’s bad lawmaking if nothing else.”

Ms Bacik said the establishment of Atheist Ireland was “long overdue”. More than 150 people attended the meeting in Dublin and the group ran out of membership application forms. “I think it’s also good to see an organisation that has the word atheist in the title because for a long time many of us were in the closet,” she said.

“It’s not fashionable or popular to declare oneself to be an atheist. There are many people in Ireland who would like to describe themselves as atheists and I’m one of them. I think I may be the only self-confessed or card-carrying atheist in the Oireachtas.”

She said there should be space for atheists, agnostics and believers in organised religions. “And that’s the nature, to me, of a pluralist and tolerant and democratic republic, a country in which there is space for all of us, and in which no body’s belief elevates them to any particular position.”

The meeting agreed to campaign for the removal of all references to gods from the Constitution and for a secular education system. Ms Bacik said the education system, particularly at primary level, was “built on sectarian lines. It is a fundamentally sectarian system in which in our equal status legislation, schools are entitled to give priority to children of a particular religion”.

The group also launched a website http://www.countmeout.ie which provides information on how to formally leave the Catholic Church.

Atheist Ireland believes that many lapsed Catholics, agnostics and atheists are counted in the church’s membership and claims that these figures are used by the church to justify its continued involvement in education.

Atheist Ireland will also encourage people to read the Bible. Mr Nugent said an objective reading of the Bible was one of the strongest arguments for rejecting the idea of gods as intervening creators or moral guides.

Dick Spicer of the Humanist Association of Ireland welcomed the formation of the new group and said it illustrated the changes that had taken place in Irish society. “It’s a sign of how far we’ve come in Ireland, so take hope for the future. This society does move and it does move forward, more so, I think, than we appreciate.”
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Re: AGM

Post by Feardorcha » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:05 am

Congratulaions to Alison Healy, a nice professional job.
Anyone spot anything in the other papers?
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Re: AGM

Post by chemicals » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:32 am

smiffy wrote:
chemicals wrote:Indeed the said reporter will more than likely put the boot in :?
Who was it?
John Waters
He had a piece in the Tribune ,praising the tree stump worshipers and saying you had to be stupid not to believe in some sort of religion, :lol: the usual drivel we have all come to expect form him.
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Re: AGM

Post by lostexpectation » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:57 am

http://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_stamp/
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what the deal with the devil guy below
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Re: AGM

Post by peter63 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:42 pm

lostexpectation wrote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_stamp/
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Thank you, lostexpectation
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