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Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:26 pm
by Regens Küchl
Rev j.jones wrote:I got it, and it feels better than christmas morning ever felt, whooohooo

two letters came in the one envelope actually, one is the letter from the diocesan office, a rev Ian O'Neill tells me that the baptismal record has been amended in my parish, the other is a letter from the parish telling the rev Ian that the necessary notation has been entered in the baptismal record of the parish.

I never really felt like a member of the catholc church but now I'm not a member of anything for only the second time in my life. so this is how it felt for that month or so between my birth and my entrapment, does this mean I can reset my age to 1 month. I'm not a born again anything, I was born but then the catholic church stole the freedom of a baby but now I got it back,
Sorry, but in the Vaticans eyes (and in mine too) you are still a Christian :twisted:
Read what even countmeout says to it :arrow:
http://www.countmeout.ie/faq/
Am I still considered a Christian?

The following excerpt is taken from the Vatican website.


"It remains clear, in any event, that the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church, conferred by the baptismal character, is an ontological and permanent bond which is not lost by reason of any act or fact of defection."


Thus the RCC believes that baptism is an immutable act that creates a permanent bond between the Church and the person. Defecting unsubscribes the individual from the Catholic Church and prevents them from receiving the sacraments but, in the eyes of the Church, the bond of baptism is unbreakable.

. . .

We have asked the Church to further clarify the distinction they draw between a Catholic, a defected Catholic, an excommunicated Catholic and a non-Catholic. We'll post the response once we receive it.


Is defecting the same as excommunication?

No, defecting reflects your personal decision to leave the Church. Excommunication is when a person is censured by the Church such that they are barred from receiving the sacrements.

The Church recently stated that all Catholic participants in an abortion will be automatically excommunicated

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:31 pm
by Rev j.jones
by forcing me to make a donation to the pro-choice campaign should the cathoilc church be excomunicated from the catholic church.

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:39 pm
by eccles
It's a no-win situation with those Bastards. Once they have got you, they have you for the term of your natural life --- and after

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:20 pm
by Beebub
Regens Küchl wrote:Sorry, but in the Vaticans eyes (and in mine too) you are still a Christian
eccles wrote:Once they have got you, they have you for the term of your natural life --- and after
You guys seem to have missed the point. The clue is in the title. Whether or not they still believe you are a Christian, once you have defected, they can no longer count you as a member of the Catholic Church. That's the whole point of the excercise.

Oh, and congrats Rev.

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:25 pm
by HylandPaddy

"It remains clear, in any event, that the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church, conferred by the baptismal character, is an ontological and permanent bond which is not lost by reason of any act or fact of defection."


Ontological? That's just like; O.K your not a catholic, you don't get the rights of catholics and your treated like a non-member of the congregation, but your still secretly and magically catholic.

On this subject, I sent my defection form at the start of this year and still no sign of a reply. Looks like the bihop ignored it or ammended my record but didn't reply. Donegal clergy are somewhat more incompetent than, well everyone. I must write to him again and remind him that it isn't a joke.

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:35 pm
by Rev j.jones
my parents signature got me in to the catholic church, I suspect that my signature should be enough to get me out. I can't help it if the catholics think their magic is going to keep me in.

as it stands I can't recieve any more sacrements without volunteering for them, nor can I be burried in a catholic cemetry, I can't stand for some one whille they recieve a sacrement,

for me the difference between defection and excomunication is like the difference between being fired and retireing.

that said nothing Regens says surprises me so I will be following it up, i'll get myself excommunicted if I have too it would be a pleasure, under contract law or the law of tort I must not be bound by a contract that I did not sign, read, or understand also the route to termination of the contract must be set out. or the contract is not valid from the begining.

edit: thanks all

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:27 pm
by mkaobrih
Beebub wrote: You guys seem to have missed the point. The clue is in the title. Whether or not they still believe you are a Christian, once you have defected, they can no longer count you as a member of the Catholic Church. That's the whole point of the excercise.
Exactly - Once I defected - The fact that I was baptised never bothered me again and I didn't give it another thought - I don't care if they think they have got my soul as I don't have one. I sleep much better knowing that statistically I'm not a catholic.

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:55 pm
by aZerogodist
Regens Küchl wrote: Sorry, but in the Vaticans eyes (and in mine too) you are still a Christian :twisted:
Read what even countmeout says to it :arrow:
http://www.countmeout.ie/faq/
Am I still considered a Christian?

The following excerpt is taken from the Vatican website.

Thus the RCC believes that baptism is an immutable act that creates a permanent bond between the Church and the person. Defecting unsubscribes the individual from the Catholic Church and prevents them from receiving the sacraments but, in the eyes of the Church, the bond of baptism is unbreakable.
Well Ken McCue is offically an Atheist as declared by the vatican, his not classed as ex-catholic. He cannot recieve any sacraments apart from death only if he chooses to.

So
"It remains clear, in any event, that the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church, conferred by the baptismal character, is an ontological and permanent bond which is not lost by reason of any act or fact of defection."
Is not a pernament bond!!! Acording to the higher-priests.

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:11 am
by JD12
Hi guys,

Who did you get to sign your defection form as a witness?

My parents and my wife don't want to sign it! Thinking of going to the local priest?

thanks,
John

Re: Count Me Out.ie

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:25 am
by Rogan
Hey John,

It can be anyone, I just asked one of the girls from work to sign mine.

Good luck!