Catholic Church Criminals.

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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by ctr » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:01 am

Something seems to be happening in the shadows...

Minister requests meeting with papal nuncio over abuse report
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by munsterdevil » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:19 pm

'Our' Bishop of Limerick, Dónal Murray, decided to issue a leaflet to all church goers to defend himself in his handling of the abuse cases, in St. Johns, where he regularly spews from the pulpit. The leaflet basically said that since everyone is a sinner he should not be chastised, what a prick. But, it was good to know that the church goers did not react too kindly to this get out clause .

I really don't give a shit whether he resigns or not, as they are only going to replace him with another hyprocrite, and he has absolutely no influence over me.
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by eccles » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:59 am

What is a Law in Ireland regarding habouring criminals?

This is what the Roman Catholic Church in Australia is doing:


December 3, 2009
THE Catholic Church's chief sexual abuse investigator in Melbourne has for the second time tipped off a priest that he is the target of a covert police inquiry.

The action by Peter O'Callaghan, QC, has infuriated police and drawn a strong rebuke from Victoria's top sexual crime detective.

In the two separate cases, the priests were told by Mr O'Callaghan that they were under investigation without the consent of detectives, before police had interviewed them and while the inquiries were at a covert stage, leaving them open to potential compromise.

Mr O'Callaghan is appointed and paid by the Melbourne Archdiocese to privately investigate sexual abuse allegations made about priests and refer victims to a compensation panel.

The most recent tip-off occurred this year. It involved Mr O'Callaghan telling a Victorian priest, via his lawyers, that police were investigating him over sexual assault allegations first made to Mr O'Callaghan by a parishioner.

Mr O'Callaghan learnt of the secret police inquiry after a detective asked him to provide documents about the priest.

In 2007, Mr O'Callaghan tipped off now-convicted priest Paul Pavlou, telling him via his lawyers that allegations about Pavlou's relationship with a 15-year-old boy had ''been reported to the police and apparently police are considering the matter''.

At the time, police were investigating allegations - initially relayed to Mr O'Callaghan by the victim and his mother - that Pavlou had committed indecent acts with a minor and may have looked at child pornography. Pavlou later pleaded guilty to these offences in court.

Mr O'Callaghan's conduct has angered investigators and the victims' lawyers, with concerns it has cut across the work of detectives and risks compromising inquiries.

The barrister has defended his conduct, saying the priests had a ''natural justice'' right to be informed that he had stopped his church-sponsored investigations because police had begun their own inquiry.

But when asked about Mr O'Callaghan's conduct, the head of Victoria Police's sexual crime squad, Glenn Davies, said it was critical that it was left to police to tell suspects that they were under investigation.

''It would be better for police investigators to notify the suspect of the investigation in their own time,'' Detective Inspector Davies told The Age. ''It is advantageous that the suspect is unaware of the investigation until the police are in a position to interview them. This stops collusion between parties involved and ensures critical evidence is not destroyed.''

Mr O'Callaghan told The Age that even if police asked him to keep secret the existence of their inquiry - which he said they had not - he would refuse. ''I would not consent to such a course because of my duty to keep both parties [the priest and the complainant] in respect of the investigation I had been conducting fully apprised of relevant matters,'' he said.

But Inspector Davies stressed that detectives must be able to launch inquiries without the suspect knowing they were being targeted. ''In many investigations it is not ideal for the suspect to be notified of the investigation prior to police contacting them,'' he said.

Mr O'Callaghan has also stressed he tells all victims of their ongoing right to contact the police.

However, in at least one case, it is believed investigators are concerned at Mr O'Callaghan's advice to a victim that the allegations were unlikely to be held as criminal by a court. Police sources and lawyers have said the allegations, if proven, would constitute a sexual assault.

Inspector Davies said: ''Victoria Police urge anyone who is a victim of sexual assault to contact police and have the matter fully investigated. We are the appropriate authority to deal with these matters as we have the legislative powers.''

Melbourne Archbishop Denis Hart said he ''always believed the police were supportive of [Mr O'Callaghan's] processes'', but said he would act on any police concerns.

In August, the archbishop dismissed calls to review the Melbourne Catholic Church's handling of more than 450 sexual abuse cases over 13 years.

The alleged victim in the more recent case declined to comment but the mother of the victim in the 2007 case remains angry at the church inquiry process.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/secon ... -k6b6.html

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This is a serious matter. Would those "dirty old priests" have to be handed over to the Gardae in Ireland? The Vatican has no rights in these matters ouside their own Vatican City.

As a matter of interest, I went to school with that Archbishop Denis Hart. He and I had a huge falling out at the Cathedral when he was there as a priest.
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by lostexpectation » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:48 pm

so this midnight trial referred to on another thread this was some internal canonical trial for two paedo priests?

is what the golf club stories were at the weekend? :?:
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by eccles » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:54 am

Vatican to issue 'strong response' on abuse report

The Vatican will issue a "strong reponse" to the findings of the Murphy report after the pope meets Archbishop Diarmuid Martin and Cardinal Seán Brady on Friday, the papal nuncio has said.

The report revealed a catalogue of cover-ups and inaction by senior Church figures in face of serious allegations of abuse. It also revealed Vatican officials refused to deal directly with the commission's
investigators, suggesting they should use official diplomatic channels instead.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre ... tml?via=mr

This last paragraph reminds me of "Yes Minister":

"He said he wanted to make it clear there was absolutely no attempt to ignore the situation, that the Vatican and the Pope were taking their time to study the detail of the report and had taken the initiative of inviting Archbishop Martin and Cardinal Brady to Rome for this meeting on Friday which would shape the nature of the response, but that there would be a response. And he was sure that there would be a response."


Hacker: "How long will it take, Humphrey" ?

Sir Humphrey: "Oh, about 18 months, Minister"
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by FXR » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:46 pm

Ratz: Vot are vee going to do vit dese pests in Irland?
Curia: Ya gotta giva thema few crumbs, dey isa pretty pissed off, capiche papa?
Ratz: Ya, zoo vee retire Herr Murray, giv im zee nice pension, that will satisfiy zee sheep, Ya?
Curia: Thats'a waht we were thinkin, business as usual, itsa no big deal!
Ratz: We hav zee replacements, vee give them Herr Murray, vee keep the schools, zee tax free status und all zee rest, Zehr Gut!
Curia: Then we write upa the nice speech, lotsa sorrow and regret and promise not do it again.....Papa, Cardinal Law, he isa next in, he gotta really good story for you today!
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by davef » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:50 pm

FXR wrote:Ratz: Vot are vee going to do vit dese pests in Irland?
Curia: Ya gotta give thema few crumbs, dey is pretty pissed off, capiche papa?
Ratz: Ya, zoo vee retire Herr Murray, giv im zee nice pension, that will satisfiy zee sheep, Ya?
Curia: Thats'a waht we were thinkin, business as usual, itsa no big deal!
Ratz: We hav zee replacements, vee give them Herr Murray, vee keep the schools, Zehr Gut!
I fear this is closer to the truth of what will actually happen than any of our other wishes.
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by FXR » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:00 pm

davef wrote:
FXR wrote:Ratz: Vot are vee going to do vit dese pests in Irland?
Curia: Ya gotta give thema few crumbs, dey is pretty pissed off, capiche papa?
Ratz: Ya, zoo vee retire Herr Murray, giv im zee nice pension, that will satisfiy zee sheep, Ya?
Curia: Thats'a waht we were thinkin, business as usual, itsa no big deal!
Ratz: We hav zee replacements, vee give them Herr Murray, vee keep the schools, Zehr Gut!
I fear this is closer to the truth of what will actually happen than any of our other wishes.
I was'nt jokin'. You can just see them moving the pieces around on the board. It will conviently go over everyones head that Herr Ratzinger himself was the architect of the cover up.

One thing that will come out of all this: Michael Martin is the least likely to be the next leader of FF. You don't join the political wing of the Vatican in Ireland and fuck with the Catholic Mafia.
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by washington » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:01 am

so this midnight trial referred to on another thread this was some internal canonical trial for two paedo priests?

No LE...as far as my info goes Carney's trial was a civil one...nothing to do with canon law bs. Seems these mid-night hearings were quite common back then...got the 'tricky' cases dealt with without the prying press sniffing around. Those were the days my friend! :D
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Re: Catholic Church Criminals.

Post by lostexpectation » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:20 am

bishop walsh response

'If I had done any wrong I'd be gone' - Dr Walsh
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 26821.html

'This is not about throwing people in the river to satisfy the gods'
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 26787.html

statement from bishops conference
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 26809.html
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