liambo1 wrote:heres how to stop an atheist or monkey kids as i like to call you all..
WHY CAN'T SCIENTISTS CREATE A NEW NOT COPIED, INDEPENDENTLY VIABLE, MULTIPLYING, SELF REPAIRING ,EVOLVING, LIVING CELL THEY DID SAY IT HAPPENNED ON ITS OWN SEVERAL BILLION TIMES --
DO THEY NOT HAVE THE MAGIC TOUCH
I'm a newbie here (is everyone?) so I'll try to go carefully. First up - very well done to atheist ireland for getting this up and going. Great job. And it's good to see theists and atheists alike attacking this ridiculous new law. How embaressing is that???
On this thread: when I dropped my faith (the most liberating day of my life) and admitted that I was infact an atheist, I also realised that fundamentally theists and atheists are always going to find it very hard to communicate and debate. They are using a totally opposite framework. One sets out to discover: the other sets out to protect a position. The line or argument above is a pretty good example: the argument laid out effectively says: here's a premise that I think you can't explain without God. Therefore there must be a God. I think Dawkins call's it the thology of the gap, or somesuch. ie the stuff we can't explain yet must be filled with gap. The obvious problem with the line of arguing is that the gap has got a whole lot smaller since Gallileo's time 9say) - and the Christian god, likewise.
Absence of an explanation (if there is an absence) isn't evidence for anything: it's an absence of something.
So while the idea of a few killer lines to use with theists is very attractive I suspect that it can never really work. Neither side can hear the other. We talk, and they hear the ramblings of the ignorant and ill informed. They talk and we start by thinking - we know their wrong, so...let's go from there.
Maybe through the one-liners that might come up here can help some believers to think independently, which is the real problem to my mind. Just maybe?
It is tempting to attribute the patronising rudeness of the quote at the top Vs the irony of the 'Godbless' at the end, to everything one would expect of believers in their ivory towers. But that would be injust - right? There are rude and ignorant people on all sides...religion has no monopoly there.
Amyway - here's my favourite theist killer line (from Chris Beach's excellent website - http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours - Stephen Roberts.
Don't suppose it will ever persuade a theist though...