Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by chemicals » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:25 am

bipedalhumanoid wrote:Secularisation is the reason that this society no longer finds this kind of coverup acceptable. It was very clearly a lack of secularisation that enabled the abusers.
Exactly - people should be made more aware of this fact ,
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by eccles » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:03 pm

As though that is not bad enough, how about Pope John Paul II in 2002:

Pope Forgives Molested Children
May 22, 2002

VATICAN CITY—Calling forgiveness "one of the highest virtues taught to us by Jesus," Pope John Paul II issued a papal decree Monday absolving priest-molested children of all sin.
"Though grave and terrible sins have been committed, our Lord teaches us to turn the other cheek and forgive those who sin against us," said the pope, reading a prepared statement from a balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square. "That is why, despite the terrible wrongs they have committed, the church must move on and forgive these children for their misdeeds."

"As Jesus said, 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone,'" the pope continued. "We must send a clear message to these hundreds—perhaps thousands—of children whose sinful ways have tempted so many of the church's servants into lustful violation of their holy vows of celibacy. The church forgives them for their transgressions and looks upon them not with intolerance, but compassion."

The papal announcement arrives in response to public outcry over the sex scandal sweeping the Catholic church in the U.S. Though official church doctrine condemns such transgressions, the pope's decision, observers say, is intended to demonstrate the church's willingness to put the scandal behind it and restore the public trust.

"By forgiving these children, primarily churchgoing boys between the ages of 5 and 15, the pope has shown true Christian kindness," said Father Thomas O'Malley, a member of the New York archdiocese and one of the many priests implicated in charges of sexual activity with minors. "The pope is saying that, in their own way, these sinful youths are victims, too. Through their absolution, he sends the important message that empathy, contrary to what naysayers and critics in the secular media would have us believe, does have a place in modern Catholicism."

For Catholics waiting for the pope to break his long silence on the scandal, the sweeping, decisive nature of his response has come as welcome relief.

"The pope has shown great love and compassion, much as Jesus did when he ministered to tax collectors and whores," said Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston. "Despite all they have done to jeopardize the careers of so many priests—to say nothing of imperiling the priests' immortal souls—the church embraces these underaged seducers and tempters with open arms. The pope's words and actions prove that the church is willing to put an end to the suffering and let the healing begin."

The mass absolution is being hailed by church scholars as one of the Vatican's most progressive acts since the Second Vatican Council in 1962.

"One cannot overstate the break from tradition this represents," said lay administrator Bruce McConnachie of the Los Angeles archdiocese. "After all, under church doctrine, the act of seducing a priest is considered a grave sin against the laws of God, punishable by condemnation to Hell for all eternity. But the pope has put all of that aside. He has let bygones be bygones. For this, all of those misbehaving, sexy little guys should feel grateful. By showing such willingness to forgive and forget, the pope has sent a clear message: Even though these boys have done much to undermine and subvert the priestly vows of celibacy, they are still deserving of God's love."

Margaret Leahy, 39, a Somerville, MA, homemaker and mother of one of the alleged seducers, expressed relief over the pope's announcement.

"For months, I feared that my boy—and the dozens of others who committed sinful acts with Father Halloran before he was moved to the safety of another parish to protect him from further temptation at their pre-pubescent hands—was going to Hell for what he'd done," Leahy said. "It's the worst feeling a mother can know. But thanks to the forgiveness of the pope, my long nightmare is finally over. He was just a boy of 8 at the time. He didn't know any better. Thank you, your Holiness, for giving my poor little Timothy a second chance at redemption."

However, not everyone within the Catholic church is so supportive of the pope's actions.

"What kind of a message is the pope sending today's children? That it's okay to seduce priests?" said one concerned Baltimore priest who asked to remain anonymous due to a pending court case. "With the pope's announcement, the church is essentially telling its youngest members, 'Go ahead and let Father So-And-So reach into your swim trunks at the church-youth-group pool party. It's okay, the pope will forgive you in the end.' Without fear of eternal damnation, how are these provocative young lotharios ever going to learn?"

"As the creep of secular humanism continues to chip away at our most sacred institutions, the Vatican has established a dangerous precedent," the priest continued. "We look to the church's authority for justice and righteousness, not politically convenient solutions that maintain the status quo. These nubile sinners should be held accountable for the damage they've done
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by Ygern » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:27 pm

Um, you do know that your article is from The Onion - i.e. satire and not real?
In addition, if you quote an article in it's entirety you need to credit your source: http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-f ... ldren,101/
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by ctr » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:02 pm

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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by Regens Küchl » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:45 pm

Ygern wrote:Um, you do know that your article is from The Onion - i.e. satire and not real?
In addition, if you quote an article in it's entirety you need to credit your source: http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-f ... ldren,101/
Yes, eccles. It would not have hurt to share that link with us.
So parody it is, but at first reading I thought it could be real for that papal forgiving to the molested kids would very much make sense if it were in accordance to the Crimen sollicitationis which is still in power and condems every molested kid who tells anyone who is not church authority about the molesting per excommunication to hell :twisted:

Here is the full text :arrow:
http://www.vatican.va/resources/resourc ... 62_en.html
And here is the part about the excommunication of the victims :arrow:
13. The oath to maintain confidentiality must always be taken in these causes, also by the accusers or complainants and the witnesses. These persons, however, are subject to no censure, unless they were expressly warned of this in the proceedings of accusation, complaint or questioning. The Defendant is to be most gravely admonished that he too must maintain confidentiality with respect to all persons, apart from his advocate, under the penalty of suspension a divinis, to be incurred ipso facto in the event of a violation.


This is, as said, still in power but neither Ratslinger nor the media found it worth mentioning or critizing :|
So, formally, since Ratslinger did not forgive all the molested kids who talked about it outside church authority (to their parents, the police etcetera) them all are going to HELL
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by eccles » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:01 pm

Ygern wrote:Um, you do know that your article is from The Onion - i.e. satire and not real?
In addition, if you quote an article in it's entirety you need to credit your source: http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-f ... ldren,101/
Ygern,
Sorry about forgetting the link. I was doing several things on two computers. I do know the "Onion" can be satire, however there could be some truth in that article. What JPII is "quoted" to have said would not surprise me at all, knowing what the CCL is like.
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by Beebub » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:20 pm

Eccles, The Onion is entirely satire. Always has been. They're not actual quotes from JP II. They made them up. While it may be close to the bone or close to the truth just makes it better satire. But it's still satire.
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by aZerogodist » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:09 am

Just went to Wikipedia and on the front page a link to:
Pastoral letter from Pope Benedict XVI
After the pressure gathered from the Ryan and Murphy Reports and the resignation of bishops, Pope Benedict XVI summoned all of the Irish Bishops to the Vatican in January 2010.[29] Following their meeting, it was announced that a pastoral letter would be written to address the issues involving the sexual abuse of children.[30]

The letter was released by the Vatican on 20 March 2010.[31] In the letter addressed to the Catholics of Ireland, he was "truly sorry" for the harm done to Catholics who suffered "sinful and criminal" abuse at the hands of priests, brothers and nuns.[32] He acknowledged the "serious mistakes" made by the clergy.[1] The letter did not ask for the resignation of Seán Brady, did not address the Ryan and Murphy reports, and did not mention the directions from the Vatican to cover-up the abuses.[33] The letter was to be read out at Mass on 21 March 2010.[34]

There was a mixed reaction to the contents of the letter. The letter was well received by the Primate of All Ireland Seán Cardinal Brady, the Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin and the Conference of Religious of Ireland (CORI).[35] Survivors of Child Abuse coordinator John Kelly said in a statement, "This letter is a possible step to closure and we owe it to ourselves to study it and to give it a measured response. We are heartened by the Pontiff’s open acceptance that the abusive behavior of priests and religious were criminal acts."[36] Others did not think the letter went "far enough".[32] One victim of abuse, Andrew Madden, called upon the Pope to resign.[37] One in Four, a group representing victims of sexual abuse, said that they were "deeply disappointed" with the letter.[32]
Sounds a bit one sided, one of the problems with Wiki is that it can crafted.
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by Ygern » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:31 am

There are a lot of Catholics who feel that the media have been very unfair on the Pope. They've started a Facebook page and everything.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wal ... 5801888885
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Re: Pope to Ireland: pray, fast and do penance for a year

Post by smellyoldgit » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:05 pm

If I may chip in a few thoughts from across the water.
I had a root around for any reference in the poop's letter to 'justice' related statements - duly bolded below;

I must also express my conviction that, in order to recover from this grievous wound, the Church in Ireland must first acknowledge before the Lord and before others the serious sins committed against defenceless children.

you must answer for it before Almighty God and before properly constituted tribunals.

Openly acknowledge your guilt, submit yourselves to the demands of justice, but do not despair of God’s mercy.

Interesting that the poop still appears to put the 'justice' of his own fiction above that of 'others' and that he expects the guilty priests to fess up to their actions. No mention of civil justice for the creepy tards who covered up, protected or kept silent about the abuser's actions.
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