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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:19 pm
by Martha
CatHerder wrote:And what about
Martha wrote: I've been pouncing for years... give the RC fuckers as much "grief" as they give us, that's what I say! If nothing else, be a Nuisance Value :D
Yes, but I was referring to our RC government, the ones who are spending our money for and on behalf of us, the people and therefore who do have a direct impact on all our lives, which the church no longer has. Hope that clarifies my position :wink:

Good idea!

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:32 pm
by FXR
Firstly I'd like to thank Wraith for bringing this up. I've thought about it on and off myself for a long time. One of the foundations for the power of the church is the number of people they "claim" are members of the flock. Once you’re baptised you’re counted in.

The idea of being excommunicated has always appealed to me. I feel it would almost be a badge of honour. It could be useful in all sorts of ways. Imagine being confronted by two brainwashed thugs in an alley and whispering darkly "Do you rrrreally vant to mes wit mee, I am hee dey kall dee exkommunikated von!"

However writing to the god squad smacks of asking their permission not to be included. I'd rather if there was a more demonstrative way of letting one's feelings be know. For example if marching across the altar at 11.30 mass and mooning at the tabernacle merited automatic disqualification I'd be there. Or better still dancing around the parish priests front garden naked with an oak branch tied to your penis singing John Lennon’s Imagine while dragging a mongrel dog dressed in red on a piece of rope.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:39 pm
by Martha
Oh, what's happening here? The Poll has changed in the last couple of hours, from over 70% to 68% in the Non-Issue section. How did that come about I wonder?

Re: Good idea!

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:43 pm
by Martha
FXR wrote:
However writing to the god squad smacks of asking their permission not to be included.
Precisely. So why reinforce their notions of grandeur. And whatever about all your other imaginative suggestions for demonstrating one's non allegiance, surely the BEST way is just to ignore the bastards - like they don't exist! I think the word is called BOYCOTT? No members, no club :P

Re: Good idea!

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:03 pm
by FXR
Martha wrote:
FXR wrote:
However writing to the god squad smacks of asking their permission not to be included.
Precisely. So why reinforce their notions of grandeur. And whatever about all your other imaginative suggestions for demonstrating one's non allegiance, surely the BEST way is just to ignore the bastards - like they don't exist! I think the word is called BOYCOTT? No members, no club :P
But the problem is Martha ignoring them is not enough. Unless you register you exclusion somewhere you're counted along with all the people who half believe or the legions who only turn up for births deaths and marriges but otherwise think bishops are dipsticks.

Re: Good idea!

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:14 pm
by Martha
FXR wrote:
But the problem is Martha ignoring them is not enough. Unless you register you exclusion somewhere you're counted along with all the people who half believe or the legions who only turn up for births deaths and marriges but otherwise think bishops are dipsticks.
Its not a problem for me. If some guy (in a dog collar, or a pin-stripe suit and dickie-bow) thinks he's God, that's his problem, not mine. The only time I'm going to get worried about "the opposition" as it were, is when I am literally - and I mean physically - under threat. Then I'll have no problem defending myself.

As far as I'm concerned, they can play with numbers (statistics) all they want... in any case, they are not living in the real world, as I am :D

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:38 pm
by divil_a_bit
I've just voted in the poll and I see I am the only person so far to officially be "off the churches books".

I can see why most people say it's a non-issue, but for me it was important for a number of reasons:

1. I think it's important that the Catholic church don't count me as one of their sheep ever.

2. In my early years I would have been a pretty religious kid. My grandmother wanted me to become a priest! By 13 or 14 I was having serious doubts about religion as was beginning to read Stephen Hawkins and was really starting to think much more deeply about the world around me. At the time I wasn't getting the answers I wanted from Hawkings but the answers were much more interesting than the RCC could give me. By 15 I was definitely an atheist and told my parents and they were fine with it. I also told my grandmother and she also understood. I felt this was a chapter in my life I wanted to close and for me, one of the ways of doing this was officially renouncing my faith.

3. This is probably the main reason that drove me to renouncing my faith. I am marrying a Catholic and I did not want to sign a document that said "Thou shalt raise any childern God blesses you with in the RCC". I could NEVER sign it. But the very interesting part of this document is this section is for Catholics only. In the churches eyes I was still a Catholic, that was until I renounced my faith. Now I don't have to sign the document and the wedding is seen as a mixed marrige. My wife to be has to sign, but we've spoken with the priest and he is well aware of my feelings.

Re: Good idea!

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:38 pm
by tony
Martha wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, they can play with numbers (statistics) all they want... in any case, they are not living in the real world, as I am :D
Statistics are useful for them, example- Control of education. If most of the country are registered Christians then the Church and religious politicians have a very strong argument to keep religion in public funded schools as they will argue that that is what people want. Their beliefs affect the real world we inhabit.

Has anyone written a letter yet and tried to get excommunicated?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:44 pm
by tony
divil_a_bit wrote:I've just voted in the poll and I see I am the only person so far to officially be "off the churches books".



3. This is probably the main reason that drove me to renouncing my faith.

Now I don't have to sign the document and the wedding is seen as a mixed marrige. My wife to be has to sign, but we've spoken with the priest and he is well aware of my feelings.
Well done. Two questions for you.

1. How did you renounce your faith?
2. You say your wife had to sign but you spoke to the priest who is aware of your feelings. Does speaking to him make a difference? Your wife still had to sign.

I'm in a similar situation to what you were in but i'm still registered with the Church. Dont want to have to sign.

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:15 am
by Martha
divil_a_bit wrote: I am marrying a Catholic
If you are not /no longer a Catholic, why are you marrying a Catholic? That, I don't understand.