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Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:39 pm
by lothar
I left the RC church in Germany in '74 - when I started to pay tax and that included church tax there. The tax office informed the parish - and the PP sent me a letter pleading for my soul etc. This was found by my pious grandmother - who thereupon disinherited me. Does this make me a martyr to the cause? (I also know a Jehova who was disinherited because of his belief... hm.)
Anyway all ye pagans - you cannot escape by your own little wits and wills. It is clear from 'canon law' that only the Church can excommunicate you - you can't excommunicate yourself! Honest. In the eyes of the Lord Ratzinger - once a Catholic, forever a Catholic. Unless He decides differently.
Yet another reason to quit....

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:43 pm
by mkaobrih
lothar wrote: Anyway all ye pagans - you cannot escape by your own little wits and wills. It is clear from 'canon law' that only the Church can excommunicate you - you can't excommunicate yourself! Honest. In the eyes of the Lord Ratzinger - once a Catholic, forever a Catholic. Unless He decides differently.
Yet another reason to quit....
That’s what I hate – someone else telling me what I am.

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:30 am
by SunWorshipper
lothar wrote:It is clear from 'canon law' that only the Church can excommunicate you - you can't excommunicate yourself! Honest. In the eyes of the Lord Ratzinger - once a Catholic, forever a Catholic. Unless He decides differently.
Well, he can go fuck himself, as I'm sure he frequently does.
But we can play the same game, can we not? I mean list the big names as being members of our club and then refuse to allow them to withdraw?
Personally, I was never a Catholic. I had water splashed over my head when I was 5 days old and some mumbo-jumbo was spoken, but nobody asked me if that was what I wanted. If they asked, I would have told them to fuck off.
I'm as much a member of the Catholic church as Ratty and his gang are members of Atheist Ireland.

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:38 pm
by denice
the link that was posted gives a site that says u cant de-baptise yourself im in the process of doing this now and i was told 2 write into the archbishop rev. dr diarmuid martin telling him i wish to exercise my right to defect or defection by formal act im just wondering is leaving the catholic church this simple which im highly doubting it is if anyone could help that would be great

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:23 pm
by aZerogodist
denice wrote:im just wondering is leaving the catholic church this simple which im highly doubting it is
Yes, but they don't want to let go of you, here is a letter I got

Dear Tom,

I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email in which you state that you wish to formally defect from the Catholic Church. At the outset let me state that, while regretting your decision, I accept that you must act according to your conscience and beliefs.

The Catholic Church sees the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation as conferring the gift of the Holy Spirit on individuals through the ministry of the Church and, among other things, initiating the individuals involved as members of the Church. As such, they are gifts from God, and we believe that they can never be taken back.

Church registers of Baptism and Confirmation are kept as records of historical events. They have no role in conferring the sacraments, but faithfully record the names of who received the sacraments, who the sponsors were, and so on. Accordingly, I would not see it as appropriate to erase the record of your baptism and confirmation, as they accurately record the fact that these events took place. However, the record of your baptism is in fact in the custody of the parish in which you were baptised, and not in this Diocese. ...

I would ask you Tom, at this point, to seriously reconsider your request to formally leave the Catholic Church. If, having done this, you still wish to proceed, then you should contact the parish priest of the parish in which you were baptised and ask that a note to that effect be placed in the baptism register.

With every good wish and blessing,

+John Magee
__________________
Bishop of Cloyne

see topic Apostasy-Poll leaving Catholic church, Formal Act Defection for clear info:

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:36 pm
by lostexpectation
i thought you had to contact the bishop and the church, but that perhaps the bishop would contact the church for you.

you'll probably have to sue snail mail rather then email.

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:29 pm
by greenwitch
I had no problem defecting. I sent an email to the Dublin diocese, about a week later I received a letter telling me they were organising for the baptism register to be amended. There was a long paragraph telling me of the consequences of leaving the catholic church which boiled down to the fact that I wouldn`t be able to get married by them but being already divorced this was rather irrelevant.
A couple of weeks later the amended batisimal certificate arrived in the post. the whole thing took less than a month and consisted of me sending just the one email, maybe it was the way I worded it :!:
The only thing about it was the amended cert had all the details correct including when and who I`d been married to but under `confirmation` it said `no record`.

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:37 pm
by denice
alright was it simply by email that you did iT, and then your letter to the bishopp?? Would you still have acess to the email address??? and do you have to explain the reasons for leaving, as surly i myself owe them no explanation....

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:09 pm
by greenwitch
I sent one email to communications@dublindiocese.ie. I worded it in such a way as to be polite but very clear that my mind was made up as to wanting out. I also gave my full name, D.O.B, parents names, church where I was baptised and a rough time of when it happened. That was all I did. When I received the letter from them I did not reply as they said it was being dealt with so while I didn`t think it could be that easy I thought I would give them a bit of time and then the ammended cert arrived.

BTW did anyone see this issue being dealt with on `Fair City` last night. I just caught a bit of it when my daughter had it on.

Re: De-Baptism

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:53 pm
by lostexpectation
http://www.rte.ie/tv/faircity/series/se ... 29-32.html
Fr. Art pays Ray a visit and Ray is furious to find out he was baptised while in a coma. Ray insists he wants the baptism nullified immediately.


lol

bizarre, why would somebody baptise him?