Are you going to go through all the other forum threads and complain about cases where the author didn't include a mention of every conceivable example relevant to the topic?
You did not ask the question you are now claiming you asked. You asked, specifically, if identifying with nationalism and sports teams is as irrational as religion. Why not ask "All forms of in-group/out-group thinking, such as Nationalism, are just as irrational as religion"?
Furthermore, if you're really only bothered with in-group/out-group thinking and merely providing examples, why give people the option to agree with one and not the other? I see that as another indication that the original question was far more concerned with the specific inclusions than the broader topic.
I'm trying to discuss the broader topic because as I see it, neither example provided are irrational in and of themselves, and it seems logical to point out parallels to demonstrate that points. Please don't accuse me of pedantry for employing a classic discussion tactic.
bipedalhumanoid wrote:Are you saying that you don't think self-identifying with a sporting team is an irrational act? Are you saying that self-identifying with a sporting team is not an example of in-group / out-group thinking?
I've already addressed what my opinion is on the matter of identifying as part of a group, and whether it's irrational etc; instead of asking me again, you could consider reading what I've already posted, but since you have asked, I'll paraphrase/clarify.
No, I don't think identifying with a sports team, in itself*, is an irrational act.
I do acknowledge that self-identifying with a sports team involves identifying with a group, which can involve (though does not necessarily include) "in-group/out-group thinking"; but, again in itself*, I do not think this is irrational.
*As for the "in itself" caveat; of course there are people who will think it's "Man City fans versus the world" or people who allow national pride to become an excuse for racism. But, again, I choose not to judge an issue based on it's extremes.
If you look at the worst case of "in-group/out-group thinking" there is, it's Celtic versus Rangers. Which, of course, is mixed up with religion, so we can hardly be surprised. As for average football, fans; I know plenty of Liverpool fans who are friends with Chelsea fans who are friends with Arsenal fans and so on. The worst blood between them is a bit of good-natured ribbing when one team does badly, which is always taken well. I don't see that as irrational "in-group/out-group thinking", nor do I see what's so bloody irrational about picking a team you like and supporting them and calling yourself a fan.