Expelled - New Creationist Movie

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Post by Colin » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:30 am

Sexpelled. I love it!
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Post by Ygern » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:13 am

Flying spaghetti monster expelled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaULFAZMK1o
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Post by Ygern » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:34 pm

And on a slightly more serious note, Michael Shermer has a very good article in his 17th April eSkeptic magazine
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Post by mkaobrih » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:42 am

It seems too be making some ground at least superficially.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080418/cm_ ... EhQDsDW7oF
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Post by adamd164 » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:11 pm

Superficially is right! Check out these reviews -- a 9% rating overall!

Opening weekend stats. It opened in 1,052 screens, taking in $3,153,000 thus far. This ranks it 9th overall; with about $2,997 per theatre. It was given an extremely wide, highly publicised and well-funded release for a documentary. With such poor reviews, however, it should find it difficult to build momentum. Next weekend will probably be decisive for it.
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Post by Ygern » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:21 pm

Thanks for those links, Adam.

Perhaps, using Christopher Hitchens' dialectic approach, this 'success' of ID/Creationism/Looney Tunes will prove ultimately to be a huge defeat for them.

They have after all just stood up and publically exposed all their deceitfulness and all their willful ignorance.

No-one with a brain will be impressed, even if they do still believe in God. Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims alike will all be cringing with embarrassment over this.

Some further interesting items

Scientific American got Mark Mathis to answer some questions they had about the movie. Take a listen - its brilliant & funny. And Mathis frequently gets caught out (he should have known better than to take on scientists about the issue of the validity of science)
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-c ... ark-mathis

And, seeing as Mathis in the above Q&A session claims that the movie didn't say that Darwinism caused the Holocaust (yes it does); you should also take a look at this.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2488, ... rd-Dawkins
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Post by inedifix » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:58 pm

Ygern wrote:No-one with a brain will be impressed, even if they do still believe in God.
Trouble is, the movie maker's target audience effectively is: "people who believe in god but don't have brains."

And there's a frightening number of them about in the US, as last year's USA Today/Gallup poll showed. Among other questions they asked a sample of 1,007 adults*, aged 18+ the following question...

Q. Do you think Creationism (the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years) is...

Definitely true - 39%
Probably true - 27%
Probably false - 16%
Definitely false - 15%
No opinion - 3%

Total true - 66%
Total false - 31%


Other poll results vary - as this useful link shows - but broadly speaking, around half the US population believes in some form of Creationism/ID. So basically, even though it all amounts to a crackpot, loony-tunes, crock of horseshit, roughly half of the world's most popular culture (c.100 million adults) think it's true. Which is kind of worrying.

* The poll had a 95% confidence rate with a ±3% margin of error, i.e. 95% of the time, the results will vary by ±3% for any given statistically similar sample of the population.
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Post by Ygern » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:39 pm

I agree with you, but this is why I think their initial success will be their ultimate defeat.

I believe that many of those 66% have never actually thought about the issue critically or intelligently for a second, and they've never had to.

But this movie's ignorance will shock so many of the 'moderate' Christians out there into action, as well as secularists - teachers, students, 'ordinary' people - that they will become a lot more vocal. Suddenly some of the smug 66% will find themselves engaged in arguments & debates that they have never had to face before.

Some of them will learn something.

True, not all of them. But some of them will.
Remember, even Michael Shermer started out as a Young Earther!
Once he was exposed to science, that was the end of it all :D
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Post by inedifix » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:36 pm

Ygern wrote:...this movie's ignorance will shock so many of the 'moderate' Christians out there into action, as well as secularists - teachers, students, 'ordinary' people - that they will become a lot more vocal. Suddenly some of the smug 66% will find themselves engaged in arguments & debates that they have never had to face before.

Some of them will learn something.
I hope you're right. And I hope they learn the right things. Unfortunately someone has to want to learn before they'll even listen, and they won't hear much critisim watching Fox News and the 700 Club. And that's the kind of people we're talking about. They're highly unlikely to consult Richard Dawkins' website or Pharyngula for advice on what they should think of Expelled.
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