Dev wrote:I know I was like this when I was 17/18 with gays. At first I thought they were disgusting and crude and shouldn't have the same rights as me. It took many conversations slowly being proved wrong and wrong again that I soon realized it was me who was wrong.
Any chance you tell us more about this matter ?
where did you pick up the original idea ?
and how did you defend it (if at all) ?
what exactly made you change your mind and how hard was it to do so ?
To me the idea of doing it with another man was disgusting. Still is, as it is to most men hence why they don't do it. I defended it mostly by saying it was disgusting and just plain weird. Not to mention in secondary school gay is another word for bad. Get hit by a car? Thats gay. Loose your pencil case. Gay. Girlfriend broke up with you. Gay.
As well there is that whole gay pride thing and super flamboyantly gay guys wearing really really gay clothes. I never understood why they had to be so . . . gay. I just didn't get why they couldn't keep it to themselves or in their bedrooms.
Ironically I never had a problem with lesbians or bisexual women just gay men.
I had a flatmate in my first year in college, I got in to an argument about gays. He explained that it is disgusting but so were many other things but that you can't introduce laws on what I thought was disgusting. I didn't admit I was wrong, I was pretty stubborn. However I thought about it in my own time I came to realize he had a point. A few years later in an economics discussion arguing for individual freedom on the conservative side, I argued that as long as something doesn't effect me or others a person should be allowed to do it. This point that I came to on my own made me realize that I shouldn't care about gays or that I couldn't argue against it anymore.
I met an old friend (gay) of my moms in L.A while travelling and he let me stay in his house. He had a party and everyone there was gay except me and my friends. They were actually pretty cool and fed me lots of great food and beer and we had a great time talking about the same things I liked. Gays that I had met before this were just fucking weird. This is when I stopped having any issues with gays.
All this happend over the course of a few years and there are way more events that happened in between. There was a perception problem as well as a reasoning problem. It's all so clear now with hindsight but back then I just thought gays weren't evil just weird and warped individuals.
I can see why many theists are theists. It seems so lucid to us and so simple but to theists it isn't. They've spent decades thinking a certain way and some guys with fancy words and a weird way of putting things comes along telling him his treasured beliefs are wrong and that he's essentially wasted a massive portion of his life.
I mean dismissing all churches, eloquent theologians, religions institutions, important people in their lives, conversations with people they've had. Everything. Atheism smacks of a conspiracy theory i.e. a few individuals secretly con the masses. Religion is so ingrained in human culture that I'm surprised we aren't having a harder time convincing people.
@Everyone above this post. Good questions, I really haven't looked at some of them that way.