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New postPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:43 pm 
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So I made a movies thread after searching for 'movies' and being quite convinced that there wasn't already a much bigger thread on that subject. I was wrong there. However, I'm quite sure that nobody has made a thread dedicated to the fledgeling artform of videogames.

Any gamers here, and if so, what do you play?

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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I thought I replied to this. Anyway.

Yeah I love games. Just finished Crysis 2 on my PC. Which is a great game. Brother has a Wii and 360 so sometimes I play those too. My favorites include Mario Kart and Bioshock.

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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Dev wrote:
I thought I replied to this. Anyway.

Yeah I love games. Just finished Crysis 2 on my PC. Which is a great game. Brother has a Wii and 360 so sometimes I play those too. My favorites include Mario Kart and Bioshock.


Fairly certain that my PC/Laptop wouldn't be able to run that...just a gut feeling I have :roll:

But yeah, I suppose I should have included my favourite games in the original post. This internet, it just kills your manners. Right, in no particular order of preference, I love:

- Earthbound (SNES)
- Chrono Trigger (SNES)
- Final Fantasy VIII and IX (PSX). Also like I, VI, VII and X. IX is my favourite and possibly my favourite game of recent times.
- Portal (PC)
- Tekken 1, 2, 3, 5...haven't played 6. 2 is the favourite.
- MGS series, MGS1 and 2 being the best IMO
- Advance Wars 2 (GBA)
- Super Smash Bros. Melee/Brawl. Mainly Melee.
- Worms Armageddon.
- Super Metroid
- earlier Pokémon games.

and the usual Marios and Metroids and whatnot aswell. IMO gaming will not be taken seriously as an art form until my generation replaces the 'disapproving parent' generation. Note that I am indeed aware that the average gamer is thirty. The problem is that gaming's marketing divisions aren't aware of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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I'm mostly an RPGer.

Other non RPG games I liked are the Sid Meier Civilization series, as well as a few of the more imaginative Nintendo Gameboy addictions: Harvest Moon, Pokémon (hides in shame), Golden Sun.

I have also played games like Dragon Age & Assassin's Creed, but they are not my favourites.
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My RPG addiction started with Richard Garriott's Ultima series (not the on-line game, the DOS based series). They were tremendous fun and set the benchmark for me as to what constitutes a good game.

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I have since become a fan of Bethesda Softworks, my favourites being Fallout 3 and the Elder Scrolls series.
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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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I totally forgot about Fallout 3. I loved that game. It pretty much restored my respect for modern gaming as a whole, to be frank. Or perhaps it was just the game I'd enjoyed most in a long while.

Fallout: New Vegas, however, belongs in the bargain bin.

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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Luckily we can't blame FNV on Bethesda. :)

Although FNV wasn't all bad. It just wasn't anywhere close to being as good as F3.


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Ygern wrote:
Luckily we can't blame FNV on Bethesda. :)

Although FNV wasn't all bad. It just wasn't anywhere close to being as good as F3.


I played it all the way through, enjoying it for the most part.

But it was the laziest excuse for a 'sequel' I'd ever experienced.

I suppose I am a bit of an RPGer myself, by the way, as my 'list' shows. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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Talk of DOS games reminds me of my own "classic era" - my first games were on the Amstrad CPC 464 in green-screen monochrome (I'm thinking Manic Miner, Electric Freddy and Sorcery). I then moved on to full colour with the Atari ST and games like the Bard's Tale.

I do have a fondness for Supermario 3 on the original NES, although the N64 version was mindblowing when 3D "platform" games first came out, as was Goldeneye and one of my all-time-favourites, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time...

And of course, Monkey Island on the PC! I still have the theme tune stuck in my head.

More recently I've been playing some of these games where you play against other gaming nerds on the internet, which all started for me with Aliens vs. Predator. What a game that was!

Right now I'm still trying to beat the Zero Mech on "Infinity Blade" for the iPhone...

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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Casual games for me all the way – click and find are a favourite, maybe also dash. No games that guys would be interested in, but then I’m not usually interested in guy games. Bad memories of my son explaining Final Fantasy 7 and why I should play it.

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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mkaobrih wrote:
Bad memories of my son explaining Final Fantasy 7 and why I should play it.


Final Fantasy VII is a good game indeed, but if you're a casual gamer it would be among the last things that I would recommend that you play.

My first console was a Super Nintendo. I would bet that RPGs on the SNES would be a better 'starter' than RPGs on the Playstation. If one ever did make the leap to PSX RPGs, Final Fantasy IX would be the pinnacle of the FF series on that console.

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I do have a fondness for Supermario 3 on the original NES, although the N64 version was mindblowing when 3D "platform" games first came out, as was Goldeneye and one of my all-time-favourites, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time...


SMB3 is a masterpiece. SM64 was mindblowing. I was a PSX kid but I always remember going to my cousin's and playing Goldeneye, Super Smash Bros. and the like. OoT is great, but I didn't finish it. I did finish A Link to the Past, which is brilliant.

I sometimes find myself wondering how we ever considered mid 90's polygon graphics to be good. It makes me wonder if, in five years, the biggest PC-crunching FPS games will look like crap.

A thought: as graphic and sound capabilities increase, pretty soon in the future we will be able to produce entire films (never mind games yet) with ultra-realistic CG people. This will enable directors and visionaries to put whoever they want in a film. Famous Hollywood icon dead? No problem, just put them in the film anyway. Nobody will be able to tell the difference after a while. Prepare to see Arnie or Sly Stallone leaping about on screen many years after they die, with serious legal battles going on over the 'rights' to use a person's likeness without them even participating. Be prepared for Humphrey Bogart and other Golden Agers to make a return to movies, if there were a market for it. Even be prepared to hear critique of not just dialogue and cinematography, but also how well the CG Brad Pitt lives up to the 'real thing'.

I base this on the fact that, thirty years ago, it was fairly revolutionary to play a videogame in colour. Twenty years ago it was revolutionary to represent the human figure on a 16-bit machine. You get the idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Videogames
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A thought: as graphic and sound capabilities increase, pretty soon in the future we will be able to produce entire films (never mind games yet) with ultra-realistic CG people. This will enable directors and visionaries to put whoever they want in a film. Famous Hollywood icon dead? No problem, just put them in the film anyway. Nobody will be able to tell the difference after a while. Prepare to see Arnie or Sly Stallone leaping about on screen many years after they die, with serious legal battles going on over the 'rights' to use a person's likeness without them even participating. Be prepared for Humphrey Bogart and other Golden Agers to make a return to movies, if there were a market for it. Even be prepared to hear critique of not just dialogue and cinematography, but also how well the CG Brad Pitt lives up to the 'real thing'.

I base this on the fact that, thirty years ago, it was fairly revolutionary to play a videogame in colour. Twenty years ago it was revolutionary to represent the human figure on a 16-bit machine. You get the idea.


I know what you mean... having watched the graphics processing capabilities of computers evolve through four-colour CGA pixelated, polygon-style 3D to what we have today, I sometimes wonder how we accepted those earlier attempts as being top notch. But the best available graphics at any point in time was always considered amazing, because we had nothing better to compare it to.

I remember playing "Elite" on an Amstrad PC1512 for months in the late eighties (8086 processor pushing out 8 MHz, 512kb RAM, black and white monochrome monitor, no hard drive but two 5 and a quarter inch floppy drives)... Elite was the original space exploration / piracy / trading game, set in an essentially infinite 3D Universe, and it was absolutely cutting edge in its day. Essentially it was just a load of grey blocks incrementing around with a few blippy sounds punctuating the occasional dog fight, but it holds a much firmer place in my memory than hundreds of other games that have been released since then.

Imagine what it would have been like, at the time, to have had a sneak preview of a contemporary game from 2011... Some of our technology that we take for granted would not have been believed by people only 15 or 20 years ago.

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I don't know if we ever really did. Graphics have never made a game good, and very few people have ever hailed a game as excellent because the graphics were the best tech available.

Games have in many ways been responsible for driving the development of computers as studios increasingly strived to design each new game to make use of the best technology available at the time. Gamers in previous decades tended to be aware of the current limits (gaming tended to be the domain of computer lovers only until the early 90s) of the hardware and would be impressed with what the studios achieved with the available tech of the day. I doubt anyone ever thought that this was as good as it would get and that things would not get better. Rather, it was expected that graphics & gaming would become more interactive & more photo-realistic at some sage in the future.

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Not at all impossible from a technical point of view, but I am not sure that it is that likely to become the norm. For one thing very few actors retain legendary status & remain box office gold after they die. For example, as Arnie & Sly get older fewer and fewer people will be interested in seeing them in action films and fewer and fewer people will associate their names with Action Hero. They are already eclipsed by younger actors who can do anything they did and in 20 years time only a certain older generation will remember them, and the next generation of viewers & film-makers will regard them as history if they have even heard of them.

Humphrey Bogart is quite rare in retaining some of his status by virtue of belonging to an era where there were relatively few "stars" - plus in a field of very few stars, he was one of the bigger names. The field of competition widens as time goes by (see what I did there) and fewer if any actors are likely to stand out as icons 10 years or 50 years after their deaths.

In short: the ability to re-create an actor & voice is one thing, but re-creating dead stars will probably remain a gimmick rather than the norm. Rather it will be used to make better special effects & stunts for new actors.


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Not at all impossible from a technical point of view, but I am not sure that it is that likely to become the norm. For one thing very few actors retain legendary status & remain box office gold after they die. For example, as Arnie & Sly get older fewer and fewer people will be interested in seeing them in action films and fewer and fewer people will associate their names with Action Hero. They are already eclipsed by younger actors who can do anything they did and in 20 years time only a certain older generation will remember them, and the next generation of viewers & film-makers will regard them as history if they have even heard of them.

Humphrey Bogart is quite rare in retaining some of his status by virtue of belonging to an era where there were relatively few "stars" - plus in a field of very few stars, he was one of the bigger names. The field of competition widens as time goes by (see what I did there) and fewer if any actors are likely to stand out as icons 10 years or 50 years after their deaths.

In short: the ability to re-create an actor & voice is one thing, but re-creating dead stars will probably remain a gimmick rather than the norm. Rather it will be used to make better special effects & stunts for new actors.


Consider, though, the amount of money that's to be made in ruining franchises. Look at Star Wars and (though I'm not entirely in agreement on this one) Indiana Jones. Nostalgia is a big, big factor these days. Everything is a remake or a reboot, with millions going into CG in order to accomplish it. Want Optimus Prime in full realistic animated form? It can be done, and you will draw the kids who watched Transformers (not me, though I did love the show) as well as a new audience (my six year old nephew).

Now imagine they made a prequel to Indiana Jones, all done with the same style and with a young CG Harrison Ford. Or if they dabbled in the (extremely silly and unecessary IMO) Star Wars EU. You could have a sequel to Return of the Jedi with actors fully intact as they were in 1983.

As for the Bogie example, well I'm a fan obviously and it's just something I'd check out. I reckon that we'll be dealing with 'golden oldies' Brad Pitt and George Clooney by the time the technology is sufficient to be indistinguishable from reality.

Yes, few actors remain significant to the 'general public' once their peak is passed. Good examples of this are the likes of Jean-Claude Van Damme, who was once ahead of Arnie. He probably won't get the CG treatment, but James Cameron's Terminator 3 (the real one) with 1992 peak Arnie? Who knows.

AND for games, which was the original point of discussion: there would be absolutely nothing to stop them from making a game that feeds into your subconscious like a movie does. I know, gamers already experience this, but think of your parents and your baffled non-gamer friends who'd shun Mario, but would scream about who Keyser Soze is at a T.V. screen. L.A. Noire is already moving in that direction, and for current gen it looks amazing. They will usher in the end of the HUD. There will be no more 'dialogue trees', no Fallout-esque blank faces staring back at you...

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I just noticed something while browsing through the thread:

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I'm 19 and what is this?

But seriously, even though I haven't played a Pokémon game properly since G/S/C era, I can't overstate how important those games were to my childhood.

I'll always go back to them, I think. Age is a non-factor, especially when you consider how many people enjoy Disney films or play somewhat 'cutesy' games like Earthbound. No reason to be ashamed of things that you like.* 8)





*unless it's Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, in which case, you can go right ahead. :wink:

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I started on arcade games, '1942' name of game, I hav'nt been around that long, I could pass it two or three times.

The best game I ever played was Douglas Adam's 'Starship Titanica' they should remake that game.

Liked civIII but got tierd of having to end up nuking everyone just to win.

Last few years my little LT wasn't up to gaming, did enjoy Max Payne, and Broken Sword 1&2 but the LT couldn't play BS3, or the last Tomb Raider, now that I got a new PC, the discs for those games are ethier badly scratched or half missing :(

But there's some good suggestions here to look into. :)


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