State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

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State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by irishwoody » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:08 pm

Hello,
First post here, so hellos to all. Does anybody care to comment on the article in the Times today with picture of our defense forces giving escort to the relics of St Theresa of Liseaux who according to the article is back to visit us on tour of the country for 10 weeks. The picture acompanying the article had memebrs of our defense forces carrying "the bones" at shoudler height in uniform into the cathedral in Wexford.

It strikes me that using our defense forces who represent the state to carry / escort a religious relic of one particular religion in the state as a form of religous favouritism. At best it might be described as a courtesy but I wonder woudl the same be afforded to other religions who operate in our country ? if I recall correctly "these bones" were here a few years back and had also had full garda escort whereever they travelled. Does our defense forces have guidelines about what is appropriate wrt to accompanying relics ? is it a good use of time that we as tax payers pay for ? Should our defense forces in what is supposed to be a secular state be involved in such a service ? (forgetting the morbid / untasteful act of carting a dead body arround the place - St Theresa should have been burried in a respectful manner years ago).

Comments anyone ?
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by lostexpectation » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:28 pm

its in excusable just like there trip to lourdes, but what is anyone gonna do.
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by FXR » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:34 pm

I don't think the Defence Forces should be involved but it's not the first time this type of thing has happened. I can only surmise that the religously deluded are resorting to bone worship as a reaction to living in a country run by a man who looks like a bouncy castle.
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by pantsheadmagee » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:59 am

Eh, it's not as if they have anything else to do. Might as well let 'em have at it.
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by aZerogodist » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:57 pm

Well I am sure that the defense force have a lot to do like protecting the banks from being robbed, like that 7million€ robbery (whist the banks write of 3billion€).
Maybe they believe that someone will steal the bones and hold the CCL to ransom, in all fairness could you imagine digging up Michael Collins's body and parading it around the world, of course it would be a disgrace, and this just shows that the CCL has no integrity. What’s that commandment again “Don’t bare worship to false idols”

I do wonder what the members of the defense think about this, having to protect a bit of bone, the Vatican has its own solders, why not use them or pay some bouncers to protect the bones.
The more I think about it the more it seems like a misuse of state resources.
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Post by andrew » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:19 pm

pantsheadmagee wrote:Eh, it's not as if they have anything else to do. Might as well let 'em have at it.
Apart from the 632 soldiers currently on missions stopping people killing each other in Chad and Kosovo

I can't believe these relic things are even allowed to travel, surely they represent some kind of biohazard. It's hilarious that they call them relics...I believe severely decomposed putrid corpse is the correct medical term
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by FXR » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:07 pm

"If the elite Kremlin Guard can carry the relics of St Therese outside the old KGB building on their way into the Church of St Louis of France in Moscow, I don't see any reason why members of the Irish Defence Forces cannot be involved in this event," he said.

Mr Smyth is a fervent devotee of the saint, known as "The Little Flower" and sponsored the last visit eight years ago.
An arch capitalist cites Russia as an example of how things should be done. That must be some sort of progress.
A spokesman for the Defence Forces said that the guard of honour was formed by members of the Reserve Defence Forces, better known as the FCA.

"They were asked if they wanted to be involved individually and they agreed. There were no orders given."
The problem is they did'nt take part as individuals.
Does this mean they can be asked individually, with no orders given, to invade Norther Ireland ?
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by lostexpectation » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:19 pm

this is the same guy who offered to build a childrens hospital for cost, would he want to use the bones to cure a kids cancer?
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Re: State - Defense forces providing escort to visiting bones"

Post by Ygern » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:21 pm

"They were asked if they wanted to be involved individually and they agreed. There were no orders given."
I'm curious... he's insinuating that they are all volunteers. Are they donating their time for free (perhaps losing a day's leave); or do you think they will still all be expecting to get paid for their "individual" involvement?
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