The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by mkaobrih » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:17 pm

I hope this is true - I think that we are loosing a valuable opportunity in promoting a secular education though. Not that I want to make an issue from someone’s suffering.
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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by FXR » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:28 pm

On Wednesday night, Mr Cowen met groups representing victims of child abuse in the institutions.

He said that the congregations involved would make "substantial" additional contributions but did not specify a sum.
The important bit is at the end. The headline will be "Religious orders agree to pay more". Most people will not read the fine print. The crisis will be defused. The system will survive intact. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the deal will involve us buying the schools to give the money to the “Christian Brothers” for them to say they gave it to the victims.

But there's another round coming up....
Another major report is due soon on abuse by Catholic priests working in parish churches around Dublin.

The Archbishop of Dublin, the Most Reverend Diarmuid Martin, warned earlier this year that it would "shock us all."
Before that comes out is when you need to be ready to start a campaign to have religious control of schools brought into question.
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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by Ygern » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:16 pm

Abuse orders get two weeks to reveal cash from Herald.ie

A deadline of two weeks has been set for the 18 religious orders to disclose their assets to the Government.
The organisations -- named in the Ryan report on child sex abuse -- have to divulge the extent of their wealth before an agreement is reached on a new compensation deal.
Representatives from each of the groups met Taoiseach Brian Cowen and Government ministers yesterday and afterwards confirmed they will make a fresh contribution to victims.
However, details of the deal have yet to be confirmed and the orders declined to give any idea of what they might pay.
The Government said the orders had agreed to make a "substantial" additional contribution. Speaking outside Government Building, Fr Joe O'Reilly, of the Rosminian order, spoke on behalf of all 18 groups.
He said: "All of us committed to making a financial contribution and a contribution of other resources as are needed."
More here

For once I find myself in agreement with a newspaper byline. Abuse orders is a far better monniker than religious orders.
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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by lostexpectation » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:42 pm

they've agreed to an independent order i hope its aggressive
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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by Alexis » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:43 pm

Here's a link to the Sunday Sequence programme on BBC Radio Ulster this morning: 7th June 2009. It starts with a discussion on the Ryan Report, with Patsy McGarry - and then towards the end of the programme - at 01.:16 - there's a more in-depth discussion re same with a bishop Vincent Twomey and a Professor John Brewer. Very interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00l0yss
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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by Alexis » Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:19 pm

Irish Times, Saturday 6th June 2009
Fintan O'Toole wrote:THIS WEEK, the Government chief whip Pat Carey said an extraordinary thing. Or, rather, a thing that is extraordinary only in Ireland. He suggested, in the context of the negotiations between the Government and religious orders over the fallout from the Ryan report, that this might be the time for the State to “take on its responsibilities for delivering an educational system”.

In almost every other developed society, this would be a virtually incomprehensible statement. In Ireland, it is a potentially potent one. It hints at a realisation that the Ryan report marks the necessity for a whole new deal in Church-State relations, one in which basic services in education (and in health), overwhelmingly funded by the taxpayer, finally come under public control.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wee ... 54873.html
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Re: The Commision to Inquire into Child Abuse

Post by lostexpectation » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:40 am

fantastic article

heres stuff about the solidarity march on wednesday to coincide with the dail debate, im not sure how many people will turnout, not a lot of time to organise, aand these things need organisation, and what is going to be the result of the debate very little we decided on that day :/

and a copy of the article from the irish times about what the orders do now
http://www.irishsolidarity.com/site/?page_id=15
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