The era of religious abuse

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The era of religious abuse

Post by Feardorcha » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:25 pm

Has anyone a suggestion for a name for the period of religious abuse of children in Ireland? We refer to The Famine, The Holocaust, and the Palestinians refer to The Nakba as their great calamity.
The Holy Terror sounds flippant. The Religious Terror maybe?
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Re: The era of religious abuse

Post by Alexis » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:39 pm

Feardorcha wrote:Has anyone a suggestion for a name for the period of religious abuse of children in Ireland? We refer to The Famine, The Holocaust, and the Palestinians refer to The Nakba as their great calamity.
The Holy Terror sounds flippant. The Religious Terror maybe?
Lets' be very precise here: it should be called THE REIGN OF ROMAN CATHOLIC TERROR IN IRELAND. A bit long, but I can't think of any briefer way to put it :roll:

That's exactly what it was - and Ireland has yet to rid itself of Rome!
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Re: The era of religious abuse

Post by FXR » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:06 pm

Bruce Arnolds book just out last week now is called The Irish Gulag. (€13.99 Reads of Nassau St)
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Re: The era of religious abuse

Post by lostexpectation » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:21 pm

FXR wrote:Bruce Arnolds book just out last week now is called The Irish Gulag. (€13.99 Reads of Nassau St)
the same guy who wrote a fluff book about declan gnaley , why is he trying to write our history for us?
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Re: The era of religious abuse

Post by DollarLama » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:05 pm

FXR wrote:Bruce Arnolds book just out last week now is called The Irish Gulag. (€13.99 Reads of Nassau St)
Thanks for drawing that to our attention, FXR.
Mannix Flynn wrote:[The Irish Gulag] reveals how the State and the church were working hand in glove; how their pact was designed to involve the State in the protection of the church. For example, when discussing the broad remit of the Ryan commission, Arnold notes that the key issue, “of Government responsibility for allowing the system to run and for allowing a non-stop supply line of children to troop into their places of misery and damage, was not to be investigated. Nor was it.”

The State here stands accused of astonishing incompetence and mendacity. As Arnold documents, it “made no provision for controlling church assets and freezing them in respect of legal obligations over crimes of the most serious kind. It did the least it possibly could do in preventing the destruction of documents, or the transfer of money, belonging to the religious orders, out of Ireland. There were no penalties against individuals or organisations cited in the Redress Act for possible abuse. All they get are indemnities. The religious are indemnified for their very existence, for all but a small proportion of their expenses, and against any calumny whatever.”

The Irish Gulag will further alarm the public. And with good reason. For rest assured that romantic Ireland is truly dead and gone. This volume will place the Irish State up there with the most oppressive in history. Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany will now have the company of the Irish Church State, a brutal regime that perpetrated acts of unimaginable horror on its most vulnerable children.
The full review is worth a read.

"The Irish Gulag" is published by Gill and McMillan. Googling for info on the book also threw up an interesting conversation happening on a thread entitled "Political Accountability for the Irish Gulag" over on boards.ie.

I'd tend to agree with lostexpectation that Bruce Arnold's hagiography of crypto-fascist Declan Ganley certainly throws up questions regarding his judgement and his credibility to comment on the abuse orders.

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Re: The era of religious abuse

Post by FXR » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:51 pm

I'm only 15 pages into The Irish Gulag so far. It's a bit early for an overall impression but so far he seems far to willing to couch things in legalese therby shifting blame away from the Church onto the "State" as if it was some alien mother ship floating above the prevaling culture of Roman Catholicism.

I've only just finished Colm O'Gormans book Beyond Belief. It's worth reading especially for anyone with children.
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Re: The era of religious abuse

Post by FXR » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:01 pm

lostexpectation wrote:
FXR wrote:Bruce Arnolds book just out last week now is called The Irish Gulag. (€13.99 Reads of Nassau St)
the same guy who wrote a fluff book about declan gnaley , why is he trying to write our history for us?
It's just as important to know what those you don't agree with are saying as those who do.
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