Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

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Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by mkaobrih » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:40 pm

article in the IT
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 25692.html
A CALL HAS been made to end the prayer said every day in the Dáil before the start of business.

People Before Profit TD Joan Collins said the religious content in the oath of office for the inauguration of the President should be removed, and “it should also be removed from this chamber”, she told the Dáil.

The Dublin South Central TD said she was unsure if there was a constitutional requirement for a Dáil prayer, but “it should be taken off the agenda. There should be a minute’s silence so members can reflect on their own belief or non-belief in an entity.”

Ms Collins was speaking during a debate on legislation to reform the presidential office, introduced by Independent TD Catherine Murphy, who said she wanted to make the office “far more accessible and relevant to citizens”.

The Kildare North TD proposed altering the oath of office to allow a president-elect to omit religious references if they chose; reducing the term of office from seven to five years; reducing the age of candidate eligibility from 35 to 18 and reducing from 20 to 10 the number of Oireachtas members needed for nomination

Ms Murphy said the election campaign placed an enormous focus on the office of President, and “now is the time to seize the opportunity to correct some of the more obvious flaws in the current constitutional provisions”.

She said that since the President “is the only office-holder in Ireland who is elected by all of the people, it is vital that our presidency continues to evolve and reflect the dynamic nature of modern Irish society”.
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by ctr » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:25 am

Good for her!!!
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by Tulip1 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:31 am

I wrote her a private message on facebook to show my support

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 80&sk=wall
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by Bik » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:56 am

From todays Irish Times:
Sir, – Your December 3rd edition reports a call for prayer to be dispensed with by members of the Dáil (“Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended”, Home News) and members of Ulster rugby introducing prayer to their lives (“Faith of their fathers living still”, Sport). Now let’s watch and see which of the two institutions performs better. – Yours, etc,

DAVID WILSON,

National Team Leader,

Agapé,
Clarinda Park North,
Dún Laoghaire, Co Dublin.

http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/index.html

I'm not a rugby fan but I think Ulster have lost 2 of their last 3 games? :lol:
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by Beebub » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:43 pm

I've sent a short reply.

We've had a prayer said before every Dail session over the last 10 years. How did that work out?

Doubt they'll print it. They'll be swamped with budget letters.
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by aZerogodist » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:02 am

Maybe rather than the same-o boaring prayer, each member could read a favoriate piece of writing or just a minute of silence. Ireland is famous for our scholars, there are many inspirational quotes and historical political speaches which could be read.

What makes me think of this is, many TV-shows often quote Becket, Joyce, Wilde. Even some of the great Irish scientists who have made a huge contribution to our culture are often forgotten.
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by Beebub » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:18 am

They printed it:
Sir, – David Wilson (December 6th) cites the request to abolish the Dáil prayer and Ulster rugby players introducing prayer to their lives and wants to “watch and see which of the two institutions performs better”. We’ve had a prayer said before every Dáil session over the past 10 years. How did that work out? – Yours, etc,
http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/index ... 4308685790
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Re: Call to have daily Dáil prayer ended

Post by chemicals » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:57 pm

Beebub wrote:They printed it:
Sir, – David Wilson (December 6th) cites the request to abolish the Dáil prayer and Ulster rugby players introducing prayer to their lives and wants to “watch and see which of the two institutions performs better”. We’ve had a prayer said before every Dáil session over the past 10 years. How did that work out? – Yours, etc,
http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/index ... 4308685790
excellent :D
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