Get your rebuttal in now on Brady

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lostexpectation
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Get your rebuttal in now on Brady

Post by lostexpectation » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:40 pm

http://cfcsolomons.blogspot.com/
Prelate: It's the Best and Worst of Times in Ireland
Archbishop Speaks to Americans at Gaelic Festival
he is mistaking materialist with secular

http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=84280&pt=n
Catholic leader found common ground


if you sense desperation in the air you know what it is
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story.asp?j=37772
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Re: Get your rebuttal in now on Brady

Post by lostexpectation » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:03 pm

lostexpectation wrote:http://cfcsolomons.blogspot.com/
Prelate: It's the Best and Worst of Times in Ireland
Archbishop Speaks to Americans at Gaelic Festival
he is mistaking materialist with secular

http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=84280&pt=n
Catholic leader found common ground


if you sense desperation in the air you know what it is
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story.asp?j=37772
Irish Church looks to revival, archbishop says
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=52988
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Post by CitizenPaine » Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:08 pm

The Bish Brady thing has generated quite a few letters to the editor of the Irish Times. Here's one I sent in myself today:
ARCHBISHOP AND ASTROLOGY

People who consult horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, tarot cards and who pray to whatever god they find amenable have an inalienable right to do so, without let or hindrance, and that right must be vigorously defended.

By the same token, I believe I have a right to cast my vote in a general election without having to be confronted with extensive religious imagery by reason of the fact that the polling station is normally a state funded national school. I believe a have a right not to be forced, because I live in a certain geographical area, to send my children to a state funded school that is similarly accoutered and where the teachers are also proselytisers. I believe I should be capable of being admitted to a state funded hospital without having to worry about a so-called ethics committee interposing Catholic dogma into the relationship between me and my doctor.

Freedom of belief and expression is very, very important. It is also the freedom not to believe, which more and more of us are finding to be a satisfactory state of affairs. It is time for those who impose expressions of belief on all and sundry to understand that it is in their interest also, at this point in our development as a nation, to agree to live and let live.
Let's see if they print it.

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Post by lostexpectation » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:23 pm

CitizenPaine wrote:The Bish Brady thing has generated quite a few letters to the editor of the Irish Times. Here's one I sent in myself today:
ARCHBISHOP AND ASTROLOGY

People who consult horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, tarot cards and who pray to whatever god they find amenable have an inalienable right to do so, without let or hindrance, and that right must be vigorously defended.

Freedom of belief and expression is very, very important. It is also the freedom not to believe, which more and more of us are finding to be a satisfactory state of affairs. It is time for those who impose expressions of belief on all and sundry to understand that it is in their interest also, at this point in our development as a nation, to agree to live and let live.
Let's see if they print it.

CitizenPaine
yes stae funding is the key, yeah the brady thing has been all over the place I've been reading the indo letters, they don't go for quality.

jus tpriest saying but of saying our holy ghost is real!

one iin the times yesterday called fintan otoole an aggresive secularist
when he is merely a secularist, the letter writer and bertie or just regressive
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Post by Martha » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:48 pm

CitizenPaine wrote:It is time for those who impose expressions of belief on all and sundry to understand that it is in their interest also, at this point in our development as a nation, to agree to live and let live.

Those who abuse their power over others will never voluntarily change their ways, i.e., agree to live and let live. Therefore, it is not up to them but to their victims, or potential victims, to change the development of a country.
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Post by Martha » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:03 pm

Archbishop Sean Brady is at it again. According to today's Irish Times (Sat 22 September 2007) he said inter-alia in a speech delivered at St. Mary's University College, Belfast (presumably some time in the last few days) :
No one approach has a monopoly on forming children in the cirtues of tolerance, understanding and reconciliation. ... All sectors have their part to play. As the Catholic sector we are fully committed to playing our part with others in healing the divisions of our society
What a load of outrageous BS! It doesn't take too much intelligence to know that the Catholic Church, like all organised religion is the cause of the divisions in our society. But then, creatures like Brady are devoid of normal human intelligence. He'd do well though, at Speakers Corner :lol:

BTW, for those of you who might be interested in reading all of his drivel, the full text of his lecture is on ireland.com (according to the Irish Times) - but I couldn't manage to locate it.
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Post by lostexpectation » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:19 am

yeah found the article here but no link to the full text

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/irelan ... 27842.html

argh I wish I could face brady and argue these things out with him...

even the interview on rte he just doesn't see any other view..., that any other religious outlook can mold good people..

some of the letters http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/letter ... 97256.html
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Post by mkaobrih » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:35 am

lostexpectation wrote:yeah found the article here but no link to the full textl
A wee bit more info at
http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandc ... =Eircomnet
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