Call for Our Father' to be said at Town council meetings

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lostexpectation
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Call for Our Father' to be said at Town council meetings

Post by lostexpectation » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:13 am

http://www.carlowpeople.ie/news/call-fo ... 65876.html
The recitation of the Our Father created a bit of a divide at last week's meeting of Bagenalstown Town Council.

At the beginning of the meeting Cllr. Denis Foley proposed that the Our Father be said before the start of the monthly meeting as happens in the county council and VEC meetings.

This was seconded by Cllr. Margaret Cushen. However Cllr. Liam O'Brien said that he didn't agree with the saying of a prayer saying he felt that religion was a personal issue.

Cllr. Foley then said that the Our Father was an international prayer. We are all Christians here,' he said.
anybody know this lot?

liam obrien is labour town councillor unsurprisingly

http://www.labour.ie/liamobrien/
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Post by ctr » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:36 pm

I'll be at the Labour Party Conference in November and I'll commend him for his actions if I meet him.

It is a small step in the right direction when we have representatives stand up to the attempt to merge Church and State into a single entity.
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Post by bipedalhumanoid » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:08 pm

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Post by lostexpectation » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:12 pm

http://www.carlow.ie/services/muinebhea ... illors.htm

calling 1950 calling 1950, this is 2007
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Post by Martha » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:21 pm

lostexpectation wrote:http://www.carlow.ie/services/muinebhea ... illors.htm

calling 1950 calling 1950, this is 2007
You know what they say: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Well, Ireland has changed dramatically in the last 15 years or so - to be precise, since the Fall of the Berlin Wall (strange coincidence that, ain't it!). But of course, that Celtic-Tiger change was merely a superficial change. In other words, things have remained exactly the same - in the collective Irish Roman Catholic psyche. You'd want to be as blind as a bat not to see this reality. I suppose because I have done a fair bit of travelling and living abroad, both in Europe and the USA, before returning to "modern" Ireland, I could see (as an Outsider) the manic psychosis that was taking a grip on the Irish people, right across the spectrum. It was like "everyone" suddenly won the Lotto - but the question was: where was all this money coming from? It was borrowed. We didn't earn it. We were simply playing the same old game our parents and grandparents before did before us did. We "bought into" a system of empty promises, i.e., the lies and wishful thinking of our erstwhile Roman Catholic "saviours". What fools we are! What fools our RC parents were!

Welcome to the 1950's. Holy Catholic Ireland on steroids, this time around!
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Post by HaloJones » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:14 pm

Eek! We are travelling backwards in time!

Are these people elected & paid for by the taxpayer? If so, they should be taking the opinions of the electorate into consideration. Comments like 'We are all Christians here' simply should never be stated in a council meeting.

And is it really true that the Our Father is said 'in the county council and VEC meetings' ??

This beggars belief!
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Dev woulda been proud

Post by chunk » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:33 pm

I am amazed to hear this. Ol' Devs insistance on a catholic constitution is obviously a sentiment alive and well in local government.
"we are are all Christians here"........what a stunningly ignorant phrase to use. It has the potential to alienate swathes of Irelands current population both religious or not. What wonderful public representatives we have.
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Post by lostexpectation » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:38 pm

"we are are all Christians here"
well it was probably true
liam o brien is probably some sort of lapsed catholic too but that's not the point.
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Post by bipedalhumanoid » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:26 am

What we need is 1 atheist from Carlow to write to these people and say..

"Excuse me sir, you represent me and I can assure you we are not all christians here".

Should get the point across.
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Post by mkaobrih » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:04 am

I sent a quick mail to Councillor O'Brien when I saw this. He sent a reply
Dear Helen,
Thanks for your support. It's certainly helpful to receive such support
having been outnumbered 8 to 1 in the chamber. I believe I have struck
a
chord with the broader electorate. I hope it will be evident in the
ballot box in the local elections in 2009 also.

Thanks once again

Liam

-----Original Message-----
From: mkaobrih
Sent: 15 October 2007 22:08
To: Liam O'Brien
Subject: Our Father

Liam
Good on you for refusing to bend to the motion to say the Our Father
before your meeting.
Respect and support.

Helen O'Shea
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