Action station: Kill a crib this December, it's your GPO!

Discuss church-state separation issues that are relevant in Ireland.

Do you intend to email the GPO?

Poll ended at Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:46 pm

Yes right now
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100%
Later
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No I love cribs
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Total votes: 2
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Post by FXR » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:05 pm

lostexpectation wrote:oh dear that headline somebody might take you seriously?

would you mind a crib on oconnell street?

would you mind one outside a church?
You'd be better off retracing your steps and try to find the expectation you've lost.
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Post by Marcas » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:55 pm

Far from gauranteeing church/state separation, the costitution deems Blasphemy to be an act of treason.
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Post by bipedalhumanoid » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:15 pm

Marcas wrote:Far from gauranteeing church/state separation, the costitution deems Blasphemy to be an act of treason.
Murdoch’s Dictionary of Irish Law (4th edition) , p110. wrote:
The Constitution declares that the publication or utterance of blasphemous
matter is an offence, which shall be punishable in accordance with law: 1937
Constitution, article 40(6)(1)(i). Every person who composes, prints or publishes any blasphemous libel is guilty of an offence: Defamation Act 1961, s13(1).

However, blasphemy is not defined in the Constitution or in any act of the
Oireachtas and it is impossible to say of what the offence consists; neither the actus reus nor the mens rea is clear: Corway v Independent Newspapers ([2000] 1 ILRM 426 SC and [1999] 4 IR 484 SC). It was for the legislature and not the courts to define the crime ( Corway case). See LRC 41, 1991, The Crime of Libel.

It is an offence to be guilty of riotous, violent or indecent behaviour in a chapel or churchyard or burial ground, or to molest, disturb, vex or trouble a preacher or clergyman celebrating any sacrament or divine service or rite: Ecclesiastical Courts Jurisdiction Act 1860, s2.
Even though it is illegal, the term 'Blasphemy' is not defined anywhere in Irish law.
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Post by bipedalhumanoid » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:36 pm

Further Info...
Section 13 of the Defamation Act 1961 wrote: 1) Every person who composes, prints or publishes any blasphemous or obscene libel shall, on conviction thereof on indictment, be liable to a fine not exceeding £500 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both fine and imprisonment or to penal servitude for a term not exceeding seven years.

a) In every case in which a person is convicted of composing, printing or publishing a blasphemous libel, the court may make an order for the seizure and carrying away and detaining in safe custody, in such manner as shall be directed in the order, of all copies of the libel in the possession of such person or of any other person named in the order for his use, evidence upon oath having been previously given to the satisfaction of the court that copies of the said libel are in the possession of such other
person for the use of the person convicted.

b) Upon the making of an order under paragraph (a) of this subsection, any member of the Garda Síochána acting under such order may enter, if necessary by the use of force, and search for any copies of the said libel any building, house or other place belonging to the person convicted or to such other person named in the order and may seize and carry away and detain in the manner directed in such order all copies of the libel found therein.

c) If, in any such case, the conviction is quashed on appeal, any copies of the libel seized under an order under paragraph (a) of this subsection shall be returned free of charge to the person or persons from whom they were seized.

d) Where, in any such case, an appeal is not lodged or the conviction is confirmed on appeal, any copies of the libel seized under an order under paragraph (a) of this subsection shall, on the application of a member of the Garda Síochána to the court which made such order, be disposed of in such manner as such court may direct.
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Post by Martha » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:11 pm

greenwitch wrote:This morning I received An Posts `Irish stamps Collectors News`. It has the details of this years christmas stamps which they claim
`continue a time honoured tradition which will not just please the eye, but will warm the heart as well.`
The 3 stamps are the presentation at the temple (78c), the magi (55c) and the adoration of the shepards (self-adhesive).
These christmas stamps seem to get more religious each year and no they neither please my eye nor warm my heart but they do turn my stomach.[/url]
What part of the country do you live in? Just curious, as I haven't come across this shit, so far. And btw, do you also get other rubbish with your post, such as high-gloss business adverts? I do, all the time. And yes, of course, I always give them back to An Post. Thanks, but no thanks :lol:
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Post by ctr » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:45 am

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Post by FXR » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:17 pm

People won't bother to email the GPO and protest against a crib! What chance to you think there is they'll campaign to change the constitution!
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Post by CatHerder » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:44 am

Would I be executed for saying Cribs are quaint, the only fond memory of the inside of a church. I always thought they were like a really cool den, and my Mom would never let me climb in to explore.
They exist for children more so than adults, it's like the Santa thing.
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Post by FXR » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:47 am

CatHerder wrote:Would I be executed for saying Cribs are quaint, the only fond memory of the inside of a church. I always thought they were like a really cool den, and my Mom would never let me climb in to explore.
They exist for children more so than adults
Will that be with or without a blindfold?
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Post by lostexpectation » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:57 am

it seems the Institute of Public Policy Research agrees with you

Think-tank says 'downgrade Christmas'
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20071101/t ... 618_1.html

I think christmas is over hyped even from a christian perspective as easter...good friday to holy monday is supposed to be the main holy day for them.
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