Primary Education Article by Joe Higgins

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Primary Education Article by Joe Higgins

Post by Marcas » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:45 pm

Wasn't sure weather to go for here or the politics forum but it deals with the Church's role in Primary ed so I went for here:
Primary education
Ghettoised on racial and ethnic lines Joe Higgins

The acute crisis in accommodating children starting primary school in the South is one of the most breathtaking demonstrations of the incompetence of the Fianna Fail dominated governments that have ruled for more than ten years. Here, Joe Higgins examines the reality of the situation and outlines a solution to the crisis.

Despite presiding over the longest period of sustained economic growth in the history of the Irish state, there has been an abject failure to plan ahead and commit sufficient resources to the fundamental primary education needs of society. The result is that each spring when young parents come to enrol their children in their local primary school, dozens are turned away.

The worst schools places crisis exists in areas of rapid population growth and most notably in the newer suburbs of Dublin and the so called commuter belt, north, south and west of the capital. Naturally this situation causes intense frustration and anger. It can result in parents being forced to look for places in schools long distances from their homes. If they are living in any of the bigger cities, it may mean endless hours in traffic gridlock resulting from a further failure of government to invest in adequate public transport infrastructure.

Invidious and dangerous social consequences arise from the school accommodation crisis because of the structures of the Irish primary education system.

The Catholic Church controls the vast bulk of primary schools. In Irish law, despite being heavily funded by the state, the management of any Catholic school can insist on the pupils being Catholic and can refuse entry to children of other religions or none. With the pressure on school places, a range of Catholic schools have begun to implement a Catholics first policy resulting in children of different religions being turned away even if they live close by. In an Ireland with changing demographic patters arising from immigration, this is now resulting in blatant educational apartheid.
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Post by FXR » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:30 am

They'll never get elected...
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Post by Marcas » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:57 pm

Elections are not the main focus of Marxists. They are a platform to put accross Socialist ideas.
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Post by Martha » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:49 pm

The Irish seem to be addicted to chaos? They keep on putting gurriers into power as if criminals are capable of maintaining democracy, when all they ever do is wreck it - whatever bit of democracy we have managed to achieve thus far!

The only rational conclusion I can come to - for this lack of progress (evolution?) is that the majority of the Irish were/are reared by tyrants and so they simply don't know the difference between being treated with respect and being abused :roll:

Talk about being Married to the Mob!
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Post by FXR » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:32 am

Marcas wrote:Elections are not the main focus of Marxists. They are a platform to put accross Socialist ideas.
Which sounds as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike...
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Post by eamonnm79 » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:36 pm

FXR wrote:
Marcas wrote:Elections are not the main focus of Marxists. They are a platform to put accross Socialist ideas.
Which sounds as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike...
Do you guys have short memories.
Joe higgins was a TD until last may, when he lost his seat. Another socialist Richard boyd Barret missed the last seat in Dunlaoighaire by a whisker.
Since then they have demoted dunloughaire to a 4 seater from a 5 seater.
When I was younger I flirted with Socailism. I got a bit disalusioned when I saw a lot of socialists in Ireland wanted socialism for selfish reasons. The best catch 22 I ever witnessed in real life.
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Post by eamonnm79 » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:36 pm

FXR wrote:
Marcas wrote:Elections are not the main focus of Marxists. They are a platform to put accross Socialist ideas.
Which sounds as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike...
Do you guys have short memories.
Joe higgins was a TD until last may, when he lost his seat. Another socialist Richard boyd Barret missed the last seat in Dunlaoighaire by a whisker.
Since then they have demoted dunloughaire to a 4 seater from a 5 seater.
When I was younger I flirted with Socailism. I got a bit disalusioned when I saw a lot of socialists in Ireland wanted socialism for selfish reasons. The best catch 22 I ever witnessed in real life.
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Post by FXR » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:27 am

It would be much easier to remember things if everyone repeated them twice....

And don't forget Bertie is a socalist, proably the highest paid socalist leader in history....
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Post by Marcas » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:00 am

Er explain why Socialists want Socialism for selfish reasons again?
FXR when I described the relationship of revolutionaries to elections in Bourgeois parliaments it was not to say that Socialists do not want to be in power but the electoral system we have is weighted against small parties. However in revolutionary epochs the main bourgeois parties become irrelevant almost overnight. New types of democracy are established and the revolutionary party that has carefully prepared for the moment wins the masses to its side. It may sound like science fiction to you but it has happened before. In russia in February 1917 the Bolsheviks were a tiny minority in the Soviets (workers' councils) in October they had a majority. They went from having around two percent of the support in the Soviets to that in a short time because they had the right ideas and used the correct methods.
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Post by eamonnm79 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:53 pm

Marcas wrote:Er explain why Socialists want Socialism for selfish reasons again?
FXR when I described the relationship of revolutionaries to elections in Bourgeois parliaments it was not to say that Socialists do not want to be in power but the electoral system we have is weighted against small parties. However in revolutionary epochs the main bourgeois parties become irrelevant almost overnight. New types of democracy are established and the revolutionary party that has carefully prepared for the moment wins the masses to its side. It may sound like science fiction to you but it has happened before. In russia in February 1917 the Bolsheviks were a tiny minority in the Soviets (workers' councils) in October they had a majority. They went from having around two percent of the support in the Soviets to that in a short time because they had the right ideas and used the correct methods.
http://gripofhysteria.wordpress.com/200 ... barbarism/
I just mean that if the main reason you want everyone to be ecomomicly equal is due to a large chip on your sholder, due to a perception that personally you got a raw deal economicly, then I think that that position is selfish and tenuious.
By the way you are comletely wrong in saying our electoral system is weighted against small parties. You must have read that from an english or american source.
Proportional representation actually means small parties can get a bigger say than their support.
The PD's in the previous election had 2% national support but 4% of the seats in government. First past the post systems in the UK and the US for example do lead to small parties being under represented.
The Lib Dems in the UK have 15% national support but only 4% of the seats in Parliment.
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