****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by aZerogodist » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:24 am

Huge write up on the front page of todays Examiner, basically the church are offering very little while trying to keep prime property worth over €300 million.
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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by ctr » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:31 pm

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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by aZerogodist » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:34 pm

CTR no it was Saturdays paper, the paper said something like thier investigative reporters had exclusive information. But much of the info we have heard already, basically the CCL are offering a few schools of little value while the Sisters of Mercy want to hold onto property worth a few hundred million.

What impressed me was the fact that it was the main story on the front page and very informative well written.
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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by Tulip1 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:15 am

did you find it yet online?
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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by tony » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:24 pm

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 29465.html
Quinn meeting boycotted by 'demonised' religious order
By Breda Heffernan

Saturday July 23 2011

ONE of the largest religious orders criticised in the Ryan report boycotted a meeting with Education Minister Ruairi Quinn yesterday, saying it has been "misrepresented and demonised".

The Sisters of Mercy said it had twice sought a private meeting with Mr Quinn and was not prepared to take part in a joint meeting with the other religious congregations.

In a statement released yesterday, the sisters delivered a ultimatum to Mr Quinn, saying that if he did not accept a portfolio of properties offered by it as a contribution to the €1.3bn compensation bill, then they would dispose of them elsewhere.

They said five of the properties would be offered to various local authorities, while two others would be sold and the proceeds given to the new national children's hospital.

However, Mr Quinn last night rejected the offer and said the properties were considered by his department and the Office of Public Works and were found to not to be of use to the state.

The order said the properties were valued at just under €81m in December 2009. They are expected to be worth considerably less now.

Sister Coirle McCarthy, congregational leader, said that in the past 10 years it had donated cash and property worth more than €1bn without seeking public recognition.

She cited the example of the congregation's transfer of 66 secondary schools to an independent Catholic trust.

"However, the sisters believe that they have been misrepresented and demonised in recent years and that their congregation has been portrayed in a way that seeks to undermine their voluntary service to this country and beyond," she added.

Problems

Three other orders -- the Rosminians, the Daughters of the Heart of Mary and the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity -- were not present at the meeting at the Department of Education in Dublin yesterday. however, their non-attendance was due to time-tabling problems. Some of the orders are comparatively small and their leaders were out of the country.

As they left the department, several of the orders described the meeting as "constructive" and "positive" and said they had agreed to enter into further discussions.

Addressing the orders, Mr Quinn was blunt in his criticism, saying their offers of additional contributions were "both individually and collectively disappointing".

He gave the example of a congregation that proposed to transfer an old primary school into state ownership while another offered €1m and to refund some or all of its legal costs.

"I believe that there is a moral responsibility on your congregations to significantly augment your contributions. This issue will not go away," he told them.

Speaking to reporters afterwards, Mr Quinn said he was willing to meet all the congregations, including the Sisters of Mercy, individually.

"The orders were at pains to indicate there was more than just themselves involved in the administration of the institutions and I accept that and I will now be looking at just what the implications of that are."

However, he added: "I think the body of public opinion clearly is of the view that there should be a fair and reasonable settlement, that 50:50 is fair."

Mr Quinn also met a number of survivors of institutional abuse earlier in the day.

Abuse victim Paddy Doyle, author of 'The God Squad', described it as a "business-like meeting" and said Mr Quinn had "his hand firmly on the pulse".

"I reckon he is genuinely listening and he is adamant he will take on the church and the religious and get as much as he can out of them."

- Breda Heffernan

Irish Independent
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Sister Coirle McCarthy, congregational leader, said that in the past 10 years it had donated cash and property worth more than €1bn without seeking public recognition.

She cited the example of the congregation's transfer of 66 secondary schools to an independent Catholic trust.
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A blatant example of the orders attempting to look generous while they were just trying to protect their own assets. I hope Ruairi can get around this.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/qu ... 62013.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 03029.html
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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by tony » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:30 pm

I don't know if much will really be done but at least he is asking.
Minister calls on religious orders to hand over deeds to the State
The Education Minister says he believes he can come very near to a 50% contribution from religious orders to the residential institutions redress fund.

The Redress Board was set up to make fair and reasonable awards to persons who were abused as children while they were resident in industrial schools and institutions of the State.

Ruairi Quinn was speaking in the Dáil.

He says he has no intention of bankrupting any order but that they have fallen short of their promises so far.

But he says that the orders need to hand over schools and hospitals to the State now.

http://newstalk-load-balancer-97564087. ... the-state/
Quinn repeats appeal over abuse compensation

MICHAEL O'REGAN

MINISTER FOR Education Ruairí Quinn has repeated his appeal to religious orders to agree to a 50- 50 contribution with the State in compensating victims of institutional abuse.

He said the State had distributed an estimated €1.5 billion to victims, adding that a deal done by the previous Fianna Fáil-led government was “outrageous”.

Mr Quinn said he had no desire to bankrupt the orders and he saluted the contribution they had made to Irish society. “That said, they are way shy of the 50-50 contribution,” he added.

Mr Quinn was speaking during the resumed debate on the Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Bill, establishing a fund for victims proposed in the aftermath of the Ryan report.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 84175.html
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Re: ****THE INDEMNITY DEAL****

Post by Feardorcha » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:19 pm

Good on you Ruairi! If we don't get the Catholic Church stranglehold off the schools now, we never will.
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