Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by smiffy » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:08 am

Beebub wrote:Waters wouldn't have the cohones to show his face at an event such as this.
You reckon? To be fair to him, he did debate Christopher Hitchens up in the Gate a couple of years ago. Didn't do very well mind, but you have to give him some credit for attempting it.
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by Beebub » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:33 am

A chap quoted a bishop (priest?) from Maynooth who in his lectures criticises Dawkins for a lack of knowledge on Evolutionary history. He claims that St. Thomas Aquinas spoke of evolution or something similar to it in relation to birds & fish. The man then asked Dawkins what he made of that. Dawkins smiled and said he was delighted to learn of it and said he was going to look into it. He wished that some of the followers of Aquinas would listen to him.

He did say he takes it with a little skeptism as quite often, words attributed to the likes of Aquinas or the Bible take considerable liberties when arriving at their meaning. He mentioned the supposed predictions in the Koran which he labled 'pathetic'.

I'm sorry that's not clearer. It's amazing how detail can be so quickly forgotten. It was only last night and I can't remember exactly what was said!
Didn't do very well mind
Well given that the thrust of his argument against the idea of there being a lobby group called Atheist Ireland was that 'he's bored with it all', I'm not at all surprised.
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by peter63 » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:08 am

imokyrok wrote: I got the book on Friday in an independent bookshop but I'm curious to hear there's an audiobook already as well. Presumably Dawkins is the narrator? I must pick one up. Where did you get it?
Amazon.co.uk sells the audio book for £12.76. It is an abridged version made up of six CDs and it is read by Richard Dawkins and Lalla Ward. On the cover it says: "Unabridged audio is available to download from http://www.audible.co.uk and itunes". The download from http://www.audible.co.uk is £13.09.
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by FXR » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:09 am

There weren’t exactly dozens of people clamouring to ask questions which, given the nature of the event, is only to be expected.

That poor unfortunate guy who was escorted out seemed genuinely disturbed.

When he said "I’m one of 13 children" I was waiting for someone to shout "You’re embarrassing the other 12...."



PS: There was a rumour that RD would be signing books in Dundrum today. According to H&H’s Dundrum manager (working in the foyer) that’s not true. If you didn’t read this in time…..isn’t Dundrum a nice shopping centre!
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by Beebub » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:27 am

There weren’t exactly dozens of people clamouring to ask questions
I was four rows from the front and in just the rows ahead of me there were four hands in the air when the moderator called time. I can't comment on the rest of the auditorium, but to me there seemed quite an interest in asking questions.
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by FXR » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:53 am

Beebub wrote:
There weren’t exactly dozens of people clamouring to ask questions
I was four rows from the front and in just the rows ahead of me there were four hands in the air when the moderator called time. I can't comment on the rest of the auditorium, but to me there seemed quite an interest in asking questions.
isn’t Dundrum a nice shopping centre!
If there was a hell, mine wouldn't be far off Dundrum Shopping Centre!
Whao I've got a flea! :lol:
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by Gar » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:56 am

I had a great time I couldn't really hear what the complaining guy was saying but I suppose if he had manic depression I have a little more sympathy for him than I did yesterday. Dawkins was great he really is an excellent communicator we were saying after how great it would be if he had wandered into the pub so we could have bought him a pint but alas that wasn't to be the case.
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by anadub25 » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:47 pm

I can't quite picture Dawkins drinking a pint! I'd say more of a fine wine man. When he was signing my book he read my Blasphemy T shirt and smiled teehee
Anyone know whether the Irish Times did a piece on his visit?
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by dugges » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:49 pm

stardustmary wrote: I would favour a more charitable attitude in discussing the "nutter". He said right off the bat that he struggles with manic depression and I suppose other assorted mental illness..
I just noticed your comment now Stardustmary, and I jumped in and had a go at him straight after.
Most people would have missed what he said, the acoustics in the room were terrible. I for one couldn't make out a word the man was saying, even Dawkins had to come down from the podium.
But sure all in all it was a good night
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Re: Dawkins Talk RDS Thursday September 17th

Post by Beebub » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:07 pm

Anyone know whether the Irish Times did a piece on his visit?
Yes. Here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 02479.html
RICHARD DAWKINS was preaching to the converted in Dublin yesterday evening. That is apart from one disgruntled audience member who walked out after shouting at the author and calling him a self-parody.

The 68-year-old evolutionary biologist received a very warm welcome on his arrival at the RDS Concert Hall for a public address.

The majority of the 600-strong audience at last night’s event were men. However, they spanned the age gap, from student-looking types in their 20s to men in business suits to grey-haired men with canes.

At the front, devotees intensely studied copies of Dawkins’s new book, The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution, which he described last night as his missing link. All of his other books assumed that evolution was a fact and this plugged the gap, he said.

He was speaking as part of a talk organised by The Irish Times and Hughes and Hughes.

Dawkins said that while creationism was still largely an American problem, we needed to take stock of what was going on in the United States.

On this side of the Atlantic, Dawkins said that an influx of a very large Muslim population was difficult for scientists because Muslims believe that every single word of the Koran is true.

However, the protesting audience member accused Dawkins of trying to fight fundamentalism with his own form of fundamentalism.

Dawkins made an appeal to religious preachers who did not believe Adam and Eve were real but failed to explain this to their churchgoing audience during sermons.

He said the pope accepted evolution too, but disagreed at the juncture where the human soul was injected – a comment which was greeted with laughter from the crowd.

There were more supportive laughs as he read out extracts from his books.

Playing on his own nickname (Darwin’s Rottweiler), he told the audience that Rottweilers were very sweet and charming dogs.

On evolution’s future, he said that ordinary evolution was probably not going on in developed countries any more due to medical and lifestyle advances.

The future of evolution would not be based on survival of the fittest, but on reproduction of the fittest, he said.
Once again a journo gets it wrong. I admit I was finding it difficult to remember exactly what some people said but if I knew I was going to write an article about it, I'd have taken notes and made sure what I was saying was correct.
but on reproduction of the fittest, he said
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he said nothing of the sort. Didn't he say given the world we live in with clean water, sufficient diets, modern medicine etc. that it was unlikely for people to die before reaching the age of reproduction. Therefore it was likely that the people who reproduce the most would be the ones to pass on their genes more than, for example the brainiest people, which is what must happen if we are to continue to evolve as we have been i.e. by our brains getting bigger.
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