Debate about atheism in UCC, Mon 15 Mar

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Debate about atheism in UCC, Mon 15 Mar

Post by MichaelNugent » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:07 am

I will be speaking at a debate at the UCC Philosoph in Cork this evening, Monday 15 March, at 7.30 pm in room G19, Kane Building.

The motion is "that this house would reject atheism".

Peter Cave, who is chair of the Humanist Philosophers of Britain, will also be speaking.
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by aZerogodist » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:39 pm

Late notice: but will be there.
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by Ygern » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:43 pm

I actually haven't seen this talk advertised by Philosoph, maybe because their events are well attended and there is a limit to how many can be fitted into G19. I assume its open to the public, most UCC society events are.
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by aZerogodist » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:34 am

Good debate, the speakers for the motion kept bringing up the commonist topic, but in the end the motion was defeated, but very close.
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by Hemingway » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:23 pm

aZerogodist wrote:Good debate, the speakers for the motion kept bringing up the commonist topic, but in the end the motion was defeated, but very close.
Any recording/youtube link?
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by Dev » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:54 pm

aZerogodist wrote:Good debate, the speakers for the motion kept bringing up the commonist topic, but in the end the motion was defeated, but very close.
You mean the appeal to numbers fallacy?
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by Ygern » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:25 pm

Dev, I think it's a typo - communist is what Tom was saying.

The topic that Philosoph society posed was a little obscure "This house should reject atheism" and in their defence, I suspect that those speaking for the motion were not entirely sure what to make of it. Neither of them was an evangelical Christian by any means, so instead they focussed on the perceived "dangers" of atheism which in there opinion was: communism, nihilism, Pol Pot, Mao, China, U.S.S.R., communism, Marx, atheism is just another religion, communism and a bit more communism. In short: every hackneyed trope in the book. And communism.

There were also a few choruses of "you can't know for sure there is no god, therefore atheism is just as much dogmatic faith as religion".

Peter Cave & Michael were very good though, pointing out most of the fallacies as well as the crucial distinction between atheism & agnosticism. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that agnosticism is the middle ground between atheism & faith; which of course isn't true. You can be deeply religious and yet admit you cannot be certain for sure that there is a god; and in fact most moderate religious people will happily admit to this. Just because they admit they are not 100% certain does not mean they are less faithful or less serious about their religion. It certainly doesn't make them in any way unbelievers.
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by Ygern » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:26 pm

@ Hemingway - Tom recorded it (two cameras), give him a few days to edit the footage & it will be up on Youtube.
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by Hemingway » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:42 pm

Ygern wrote:@ Hemingway - Tom recorded it (two cameras), give him a few days to edit the footage & it will be up on Youtube.
Thanks Ygern.....
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Re: Debate about atheism today (Mon 15 Mar) in UCC

Post by aZerogodist » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:20 pm

Dev wrote:
aZerogodist wrote:Good debate, the speakers for the motion kept bringing up the commonist topic, but in the end the motion was defeated, but very close.
You mean the appeal to numbers fallacy?
I just can't spell, usually use a spell-checker on the laptop but, I don't have one on my phone, also kind of half-asleep.
Will be more than a few days for YT.
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