This is the secular argument in a nutshell isn't it? The problem is that the religious are not content to work it out for themselves. It's their stance that: "if you want to teach your kids facts, do it at home." They take fantasy as the default position. But before you could get to this task, you would first need to remove the notion instilled in your child that God is real, he gets mad easily, it is impossible to please him and if you don't manage to please him you will burn forever. Hell is the number one recruiting tool used on children. The reality of Hell is constantly reinforced, make no mistake.aiseiri47 wrote:If people find it conflicts with their religion, let them work it out themselves
Which is more offensive, the criticism or the belief? 'let them work it out themselves'? If only they would!!
And whatever about crucifixes, how about removing the St. Brigid's cross from our schools & hospitals etc? Most Catholics I know do not know, because they've never been told, that it's not even possible to determine beyond speculation that such a woman ever existed! They were trained not to ask. If she did exist, there is more than one candidate to choose from. Whatever about the claims of Christ on his cross, at least there are biblical scholars willing to acknowledge the possibility of the stories being based on an actual historical figure whose memory proved fit for purpose, but there are as many potential St. Brigid's as there were heads of St. Anne floating around Europe a few hundred years ago.
Dawkins is right to be critical in certain situations. And so are we. I'm all for moderation, consideration, decorum and respect, and I believe it is what a great number of honest believers deserve and also endorse. But their voices and opinions are often overshadowed by others who can only be treated as they are found.
(I believe I'd enjoy a pint and a chat with you aiseiri47, you've certainly had me thinking here tonight! )