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Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:00 pm
by Cracker
No you don't have to like it. But it is wrong in my view and unethical to engage in character assassination of the author. He is one of your own adding his voice to the people who want the same thing you do, to build a rational, ethical and secular society free from superstition and supernaturalism.. And for that, you make personal attacks when the book had not been read.

The point is he is one of your own. Like the book or not, some do and some don't as is the case with everything, there is no need for character assassination and denigration. Just read the posts. All you do is put the boots in, by apologising for disturbing electrons - goodness how superior and Narcissistic is that?

You have not read it all the way through because you thought it so terrible. OK so why put the boots into the author? That is not a nice way to treat ONE OF YOUR OWN. Trying to build a rational, ethical and secular society free from superstition and supernaturalism. Does not mean character assassination of someone who wants the same as you - That is not Kent Hovind - it is one of your own.

OK so you didn't like it - so where I come from we always say - Do better or shut up.

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:12 pm
by chemicals
The point is he is one of your own

That is not a nice way to treat ONE OF YOUR OWN
.
- it is one of your own.
again whats that got to do with it ?- change the record mate
there is no need for character assassination
saying we don't like his book -or the bits of it we have read- is not character assassination

considering you haven't read it yourself is a bit rich to give out to those of us who have made some effort -and it was some effort believe me :)
OK so you didn't like it - so where I come from we always say - Do better or shut up.[/]
ah trowing the toys out of the pram and spitting out the dummy is hardly one of those logical and rational arguments you profess to cling so dear to your little antipodean heart now is it?

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:21 pm
by nozzferrahhtoo
Not sure what "one of your own" means in this context. I do not lend people extra credence or extra lee way merely because they are part of some arbitrary grouping or other than I am also part of. IF the book is good, it is good and we should say so. IF the book is poor then it is poor and we should say so. Simply crying "But we are one of you" does not make the book any better or worse.

I am not sure I follow this thread at all. I can not tell who is serious and who is joking. Buzz said he wrote this book? If that is so then I would not be very inclined to read it given his posting history on this forum and his entirely unsubstantiated attacks on JWs by trying to twist and bend statistics to make them look insane and homicidal.

He displayed on this forum what was EITHER a complete lack of any ability, skill or understanding with relation to things like mental illness, mathematics, statistics and more.... OR an understanding of these things coupled instead with a happy willingness to twist and lie using them in order to reach an otherwise baseless conclusion.... followed of course with outright insult and invective leveled against anyone who disagreed with his position.

Regardless of which of these two it is, I am not inclined to read a book by him. In my opinion anything written by such a user is.... while free.... STILL over priced.

Which all torpedoes any "one of our own" arguments you might make as it is people operating at that level that give "our own" a bad name, not a good one. The likes of Buzz are an embarrassment to our site and our movement. He is nowhere even remotely "one of our own" and I identify with not just little, but NOTHING he said while on this forum.

The only other thing I see therefore on this thread is not one, but two users... possibly sock puppets for all I know.... joining this forum to post nothing but recommendations for this book. You seem to like "one of your own" arguments so let me make one. I have no issue with "one of our own".... that is.... someone who actually uses this forum..... recommending or discussing good or bad books.

However when people join a forum solely and specifically to promote a product... without engaging in another thread or any other discussion.... that is not "one of our own" engaging in discussion. That is something else entirely. Something very simple and well defined.

Spam.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Were someone to ask my recommendation I would say your posts, like that of all spammers, should be moved to the hidden spam bin and the spamming accounts locked.

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:53 pm
by funkyderek
Cracker:

As you're new to the forum and presumably know nothing about the author other than what you have read in the book ( :roll: ), you may like to learn a bit more about him. I suggest you start with this thread: viewtopic.php?&t=4172

Done? OK. I'm sure having read all that you're not too worried about his character being assassinated any more. He's an obnoxious, contemptible person who is incapable of reasoned argument. He had time to write a book only because he was banned from all the forums he used to frequent and spray with bullshit. Had he taken his manuscript to a publisher instead of a website designer, he would have been politely but insistently told that it was not suitable for publication, and was far beyond something an editor could fix.

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:08 pm
by Cracker
You and the members are saying in this thread, that:

a. Schizophrenics are harmless and never commit any homicides.

and

b. Jehovah's Witnesses have no problems with Schizophrenia, none whatsoever.

And you argue these points despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And if anyone is an obnoxious and contemptible person who is incapable of reasoned argument, its you. What I see here is someone presenting what he sees to be the case, which I may add on a very serious subject, and presenting evidence, that you simply ignore and in return hand out abuse. You are very good at abusing people, which makes you obnoxious and contemptible.

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:18 pm
by nozzferrahhtoo
Nope. Not the claims people were making on the thread at all. Try again.

Hint: Before trying again learn the difference between:

1) Saying X never do Y
2) Saying X are not predisposed to do Y significantly more often than anyone else.

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:33 pm
by funkyderek
Cracker, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe that you are not Buzz and I'm strongly considering banning you. Can you give me any reason not to?

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:18 pm
by chemicals
, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe hat you are not Buzz
Was wondering about that myself

Re: The Naked Emperor - Why Religion is Bollocks.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:20 pm
by paolovf
I've been following this thread since the start and thought it unfortunate that it transpired in the way that it has. When given the link to the Jehovah's Witness thread I was rooting for this Cracker guy and thought he'd redeem himself with a reasonable response, but no.

It looks to me like Buzz has brainwashed this guy or he is Buzz.