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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:31 pm
do you guys suddenly have something against capitalism? thats what this is.
i believe you could handle your finances in the same way now if you want.
mohammed tells them it is okay to lie and be deceiptful if they are advancing their religion.
it seems the christian god does aswell, who was it?,the goldman sachs ceo saying he was 'doing gods work', i tell you, him and the ceo of the emirates state bank are sitting in the penthouse of burj laughing at you.
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:41 pm
I'm not anti capitalist but Islam most definetly is, google it
as far as I am aware there is no other legal religion that requires its adhereants, to lie, cheat, murder and rape in order to furthur its cause.
before you accuse me of something research what I just said, its easy cut it off the page and google it.
concessions to sharia law are concessions to this religion.
I do not want to endebt myself to muslim bank they want me dead sharia law says a person who lives their life the way I do should be killed and if you say "no he should not be killed" they must kill you too. This is not a trial situation we are talkin about this is on the spot execution ther is no defence and their is only one sentence.
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:03 pm
this is about business. full stop, and muslims making up little technical rules to totally ignore their religious dictates, isnt example an of rigid Islamic fundamentalism far from it.
of course you could argue whether we should trade with certain countries like saudi arabia etc for what else they're up to, but then that would suggest you have a problem with the 'trade with anyone no matter what' capitalism.
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:42 pm
there is no fundamentalisim in Islam, there is Islam and there are those who choose to call themselves muslims but who ignore the teachings of Islam. The honest ones of these muslims will tell you that if their religious leaders insist, they will have to reject the moderateness and abide by the Koran
the cocoon that many western societies have wrapped themselves in "that its only he fundamentalists we should worry about" can only be supported by the assertion " our governments wouldn't let them establish themselves if they were that dangerous". This is wrong.
there is no grey area with the Koran, the Koran is not open to interpretation.
infidels should be killed, those that protect infidels should be killed. When he wasn't fucking his 9 year old wife mohammed himself use to behead two or three hundred infidels a day. mohammed is not like jesus
the difficulty westerners have is understanding that islam is not a religion. with western religions we are baptised to the religion and we remain part of that religion untill we formally reject it. with islam an adherant can slip in and out of being a muslim 10 times in the one day. he's a muslim when he's abiding by the koran he's not a muslim when hes not abiding by the koran
the koran allows muslims to retard their religious convictions untill the muslim community is strong enough to dominate, the mechanisim of muslim domination is "SHARIA LAW"
before someone calls me a troll, do some independant research, I'm not recommending sources for resource material because you would be sceptical about the motives of the author, instead please cut an paste to google and reserch yourself.
Capitalisim as a notion not just Usery is detested in islamic cultures.
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:24 am
very pleasant lecture on islam by a female ex muslim who Richard Dawkins nominated for the nobel peace prize. first part is less than 20 minutes the second part is a Q n A its a little more than half an hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuaMHiMs ... re=related
2nd part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COn4Kb-G ... re=related
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:35 am
I don't think this has anything to do with the blasphemy law, if however there is anything to support that theory is that our government IS that stupid. Unlike our government the shieks running these institutions are smart enough, they can see a BS law blatantly trying to get brownie points.
If Ireland was trying to position itself to become an Islamic Banking centre, a Blasphemy law (even if it was functional) would make no difference, Britain or Holland would get the contract, purely because there's a larger Muslim community. These guys would want their own working for them.
I wouldn't get fitted for a tin-foil hat just yet
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:28 pm
i'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to watch a movie that's only 18 minutes long,
by default our law use to stand as a barrier to islamic pressure, the law was changed, and now theres one less barrier to islamic pressure.
the reason our law changed was to accomodate sharia law, sharia law allows men to have sex with children. sharia law is not bound by a nation it binds the nation.
What has it to do with blasphemy, first of all everything has to do with blasphemy, but forget that for a minute, the recent revision to the blasphemy law was undoubtedly to prevent confrontation with islam, now our state has gone one step furthur and encouraged Islam.
we have two legal precedence now.
our government is against those who go against islam
our government encourages islam
Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and every city dewlling english man I have ever met all agree that Islam is dangerous. For the life of me I cannot see why its not penetrating Irish skulls.
fuck the christians there faith is fucked they know it, besides its easier cleave muslims away from their faith if they have some where to go.
watch these other fellas there not like what we're use to, I have lived with them, they are allowed to be two faced. they have no Honour none, they see our honour as weakness to be exploited by allah
tin foil hat? I see paranoia is it. Theres not a single chance its just you being afraid to face whats going on around you? watch the video!!!
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:32 am
Sorry Rev, it's late and I've had a few two many, but I'll try to address your points.
Personally I would take the likes of Geert Wilders and Pat Condell with a grain of salt, they are blowing Islam out of proportion. The amendments to the Finance Bill, and are to do with Sharia Banking Practices -thats all. Full Sharia could never be taken on in the Western World despite any amount of Islamic pressure. If it did happen, the governments would lose all credibility and citizens would revolt.
Seriously, one day they are legalising gay marrage, the next they are implementing Sharia law (which would need a referendum to ammend the constitution in this country).
Islamic Bankers are nice affable people, quite liberal, and abhor extremists. Banks like Barclays cater for the Islamic world, using Sharia codes, and Females (Western) are employed in the position of Relationship Manager to a High net worth Muslim, with no complaint about immodest dress or any of that jazz.
I do worry about the extremists, just as a matter of public safety when their little feelings are hurt. Remember the socialist riots in the 80's in the UK? How much did they achieve? Not much until Thatchers term finally ended - little to do with the protests.
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:00 pm
I'm unsure of the exact figures,you can check the stats your self, roughly speaking,in 1970 the muslim population of europe was 2 million, today its 54 million mostly through imigration and high birth rates.
when this 54 million reproduce and have natuarlised children your country is gone, by the exact mechanisim you have outlined.
your goverment can do nothing to stop it. Zero.
see how quick I wiped out europe did ya did ya see how quick I done that. sur have another drink there man it'll probably help the situation.
edit: there are no extremeist or fundamentalists in isalm. none, as in; not any at all, zero
you have done no research on what you are saying none because if you had you would be worried.
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:20 am
Rev j.jones wrote:when this 54 million reproduce and have natuarlised children your country is gone, by the exact mechanisim you have outlined.
your goverment can do nothing to stop it. Zero.
This has already been addressed on YouTube
Rev j.jones wrote:edit: there are no extremeist or fundamentalists in isalm. none, as in; not any at all, zero
What about Chaudery or that weirdo in Wexford?
Rev j.jones wrote:you have done no research on what you are saying none because if you had you would be worried.
What makes you say that?? I watch Pat Condell videos, he might be charismatic but he's a arsehole, like Geert Wilders and the two lads I referenced above. That's why I stay out of the Sharia Conspiracy, it's spun by the most opinionated people.
Let's go back to the start, we're talking about the Finance Bill, it allows for Islamic Banking practices to be regulated in Ireland. From this the AIB or Bank of Ireland could operate a business unit from the Middle East. Or a Foreign Investment Bank with an Irish Banking Licence can open up a back office in Dublin and have assets serviced by an Irish Workforce. It's just Commercial Paper that behaves like equity, it's not going to lead to David McWilliams having his head sawn off live on Al-Jazeera.
Rev j.jones wrote:I suspect whats next is no interest loans for muslims in a depressed housing market?
If they even get mortgage approval, the house is taken as Collateral.
Financially speaking the muslim world is a dead donkey, Dubai is bust, and Saudi oil supplies will drained by the next generation. Afghanistan is the worlds largest opium supplier, they don't have a viable product to sell to the rest of the world, except sand timers.