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atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by DB Cooper » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:37 am

Awhile ago, I talked to an atheist friend who is manning an atheist table at a state fair. In the USA. He said the Tea Partiers have a booth nearby, and one of 'em is an atheist.

Poor guy. I bet he gets lonely.
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by DB Cooper » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:42 am

oops, I tried to make this post a response to bebub's thread about his distant cousin being a tea partier

it ended up being a new thread

don't know how that happened.

Anyway. One finds atheists who love capitalism. Unregulated capitalism (yech, in my opinion)! Some atheists are Marxists. Some don't care much about such things at all. Our religious opponents sometimes like to paint us as all being alike. During the Cold War we were suspected communists. I've heard Catholics blame Nazism on us. But, we're just like everyone else; varied.

Well, we are smarter than everyone else!
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by DaithiDublin » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:15 am

Well, being an atheist only describes what a person doesn't believe.
Being an atheist doesn't describe what a person does believe any better than their hair colour or taste in shoes!
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by Ryano » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:54 pm

Some of us are even anarchists!! In fact most open minded people are anarchists they just dont realise that freedom and helping your fellow human are exactly that!
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by funkyderek » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:31 pm

Ryano wrote:Some of us are even anarchists!! In fact most open minded people are anarchists they just dont realise that freedom and helping your fellow human are exactly that!
Most open-minded people are not anarchists and you don't get to claim them by redefining the word to mean "being nice". That's an old Christian trick.
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by Ryano » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:43 pm

redefining the word to mean "being nice"
except I haven't made any such redefinition - and I made no mention or reference to "being nice". Nor have I "claimed" anyone. But my point still stands that a desire for freedom and an altruistic and empathetic attitude to fellow humans is very much the ethos of (social) anarchism. I concede on reflection that perhaps it is not "most" ppl...but many! :wink:
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by funkyderek » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:27 pm

Ryano wrote:except I haven't made any such redefinition - and I made no mention or reference to "being nice".
Not in so many words, but you said "freedom and helping your fellow human are exactly that", i.e. anarchism, which they are not. "Helping your fellow human" is "being nice" but it has nothing to do with anarchism.
Nor have I "claimed" anyone.
It certainly seemed that you were defining anarchism loosely enough to include "most open minded people", because that's exactly what you wrote. Most open-minded people are not anarchists and your apparent attempts to redefine anarchism as "freedom and helping your fellow human" seemed to me like a way of claiming them.
But my point still stands that a desire for freedom and an altruistic and empathetic attitude to fellow humans is very much the ethos of (social) anarchism.
Perhaps, but the reverse is not true. I have those things but I am not an anarchist, nor are the majority of people who feel that way.
I concede on reflection that perhaps it is not "most" ppl...but many! :wink:
Not so many, at least outside college.
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by Ryano » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:20 pm

"Anarchists oppose the idea that power and domination are necessary for society, and instead advocate more co-operative, anti-hierarchical forms of social, political and economic organization." Wiki.

There is no "redefinition" of anarchism in my post. Oppose idea of power and domination = Freedom. Advocate more co-operative forms of social/political/economic organization = Helping your fellow humans or as you put it "being nice".

And in my experience the majority of anarchists are working people and not college students, though I admit the appearence is so due to many of the campaigns and protests that include an anarchist presence.

And there are many more anarchists than you may think. Perhaps limited numbers in Ireland (due to misunderstanding and media vilification) but in Spain, Italy, Greece UK France and USA and Canada there are significant numbers. Of course not all anarchists allow/choose to be identified as such - can be libertarian socialists/libertarians/libertarian communists etc. Then of course there are the Anarcho capitalists/ anarcho nationalists (both on the right wing of the political spectrum - I find particularly scary :D )

Anarchists in Ireland are actively involved in many campaigns, but unlike many electoral groups do not actively recruit for recruitment's sake. Therefore essentially they are not propagandists and prefer to actively support the organisation of an improved egalitarian, equal society.


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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by Feardorcha » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:22 pm

I tried to respond to this but found nothing to lay hold of. Terms are not defined and are used at random and in inappropriate places. It's a bit like discussing ideas with water - or religious zealots. Basically, it's meaningless.
Pay more attention to your homework, Ryano, and compose a complete thought before writing it down and maybe you'll find someone willing to engage with you.
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Re: atheist tea partiers/ weird combo

Post by Ryano » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:50 am

With all due respect Feardorcha, you have engaged with me, even with my meaningless post, not that it was ever my intention to make adiscussion out of my original post. The thread has developed because funkyderek answered my post because he wa aggrieved at what I had posted (a wee bit at any rate!). I may not have you eloquence or clarity of "post" however I think to compare my post (with certain personal underpinnings) to religious zealots is, frankly, a little unfair.
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