Ruairi Quinn plans forum on removing Catholic Patronage

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Ruairi Quinn plans forum on removing Catholic Patronage

Post by Dev » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:09 pm

http://www.thejournal.ie/ruairi-quinn-p ... e-2011-03/

Some good news that AIs efforts have had some effect.
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Re: Ruairi Quinn plans forum on removing Catholic Patronage

Post by Tulip1 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:29 pm

this is great news!!!!
Pope says atheists pick & choose their morals. Correct. Today I will be frowning on child abuse & not having a problem with homosexuality.
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Re: Ruairi Quinn plans forum on removing Catholic Patronage

Post by Dev » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:38 pm

The initiative has been welcomed by the Irish Catholic Bishops’ Conference which said it welcomes the new forum’s “expeditious establishment and conclusion.”
One explanation for the church welcoming this is that it simply hasn't the resources to maintain the status quo. Bishops and priests are very old and there are relatively few left and they replacement rate is far below the norm.
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Post by Tulip1 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:54 pm

well what ever the reason I welcome the change. The patronage system is very bad in my opinion
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Post by ctr » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:02 pm

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Post by mkaobrih » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:41 pm

That interview looks quite good – We’ll see how it applies in practice.
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Post by Mirthomaniac » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:20 pm

Seems like good news, but I don't like this whole 'Catholic Church is in the driver seat' idea.

As the interviewer says, "The ball is very much in the Church's Court."

Quinn says it's in society's court...

We'll see. I know someone told me not to worry about this, but I'm not hearing the word 'secular' enough for my liking.
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Post by Dev » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:25 pm

Mirthomaniac wrote:Seems like good news, but I don't like this whole 'Catholic Church is in the driver seat' idea.

As the interviewer says, "The ball is very much in the Church's Court."

Quinn says it's in society's court...

We'll see. I know someone told me not to worry about this, but I'm not hearing the word 'secular' enough for my liking.
Atheist Irelands opinion on the matter might help alleviate any concerns.
http://www.atheist.ie/2011/03/atheist-i ... h-schools/
Michael Nugent wrote:This has the potential to be the most significant step towards a secular education system ever taken by an Irish Education Minister.
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Re: Ruairi Quinn plans forum on removing Catholic Patronage

Post by Mirthomaniac » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:44 pm

Dev wrote: Atheist Irelands opinion on the matter might help alleviate any concerns.
http://www.atheist.ie/2011/03/atheist-i ... h-schools/
I read that, and it is precisely what I would expect from AI. However, my concerns are really just a vague feeling that everyone tip-toes around this idea. I'm not saying that it has never been said, but I have not heard it said from Quinn or any politicians that the true goal for our society should be a secular education system that protects everyone's rights.

It's all about the current system not reflecting the diversity of our society. Maybe that's the same thing, but I just can't shake the feeling that there is an aversion to secularism in the public and that politicians are careful not to set off those alarm bells. This might be significant, or it might just be political tact. :)
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Re: Ruairi Quinn plans forum on removing Catholic Patronage

Post by Gadfly » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:03 pm

Good news. I thought the interview was informative and clear. Quinn has restored some of my faith (no pun intended) in politics.
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