Non RC IN RC school?

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Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Flower » Fri May 13, 2011 5:17 am

Hi just wondering if there are any parents who can tell me what it is like to send thier non RC child to RC school. Does the child feel left out? Does the child get treated different by teachers, do parents treat you different. I have had friends tell me to christen child to make my life easier but dont want to do it just to go with the flow, when i have no belief. I have been told my child will resent me for not allowing it to do communion and confemation like the other kids at school. How do other parents deal with this time?
Things are so different here in Ireland, i am from england. There are so many options of different schools there, and even in RC school the child dont all go do there comunnion ect on the same day, its not a part of school. I almost feel trapped in this situation. I love Ireland but starting to worry what on earth i have got myself into moving here.
I just dont know what to do for the best.
ET school not option at mo , its over 20 mile drive away!
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Tulip1 » Fri May 13, 2011 7:44 am

We sent our son to the local school who said they would not teach my child the catholic faith. After a while though I found out that they thaught my son how to recite prayers.

My son also came home telling me that god made the flowers. The schools introduce the catholic faith into the curricilum.

Friends of ours who attend a different school got their child from school t find an ash cross on her head while they told the school they didn't want their child to be taught the catholic faith.

The problem is that on the local school you don't have a option to opt your child out unless you supervice your own child when the RE classes are on.

Normally they will sit in the same classroom while the RE is going on. Some schools allow them to do their home work but when your child is young he/she will participating because that is what everybody else does. He or she will therefore not feel left out.

I only have direct experience with young childeren (4-6). Other people here will be able how it goes when communion happens at school.
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Beebub » Fri May 13, 2011 11:12 am

My child is in senior infants (his 2nd year in primary school) and so far so good. I explained to his teacher last year and this that we're not religious and they said it was no problem. We haven't offiically asked for him to be excluded from religion because he'd have to sit through the class anyway. So far it seems to be on the down low. This year's teacher says he's supposed to do 30 minutes a day of the religious text book but said he only does it about 3 times a week and predominantly gets the kids to do colouring. I suspect he's probably on our side. We haven't face communion yet and don't know how we'll apporach it. He certainly won't be making it, but we don't know yet how much we'll let him get involved.

After a year and a half in primary school he has absolutely no concept of god or religion. He did the nativity play a christmas but even then still has no concept of Jesus or who he was. I ask him occasionally about god and he literally has no clue who or what he is. He doesn't know what a church is or what goes on in a church. Iasked him on holiday last year when we were in a church who stood at the alter; he replied 'The magician?'

So far so good. I suspect my kids school is in the minority. I know of others with kids the same age and they know all about god and jesus and exactly what it's all about. Your best option, if you're concerned about your child's well being and being left out etc. is to see what they school is like, their attitude towards religion and non-religious kids.

I'm sure there are people here who will tell you that you're better off staing your wishes from the outset and officially excluding your child from religious clases from day one, but only you will know what's best for you and your child.

None of my children has been baptised.
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by aZerogodist » Fri May 13, 2011 12:41 pm

Tulip1 wrote:The problem is that on the local school you don't have a option to opt your child out unless you supervice your own child when the RE classes are on.
I have heard this mentioned before, just wondering what that option really is or is it an empty jesture.

1. Is there a room that the parent and child can goto, or does the parent sit in the class with their child?
2. I assume the parent can't take the child out of the school for that period, also as it has been noted before there is no set time, with religion through out the whole day.
3. Does anyone know of anyone that attends the school with their child for this reason?
4. If a parent supervices their child, are they covered by the schools insurance?

If there were enough opt-out parents who are willing to supervice once a week, would that be a viable option?
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Tulip1 » Fri May 13, 2011 1:04 pm

I was told that I was welcome to take my child out of the classroom when ever the RE or prayers (these only after an angry letter) went on, they could however not provide me with times. I would have to stand outside the classroom and take him out each time, they didn't tell me that but by failing to provide me with times it would boil down to that.

They make it very difficult for people to do it (at our school). They just hope that you give up when they offer you that since they know it is not really an otion for most people to go back and forward to the school to supervice your child.

A place to sit with my child was never offered, I think they never thought further then just offering just that.
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by tony » Fri May 13, 2011 2:11 pm

They make it very difficult for people to do it (at our school). They just hope that you give up when they offer you that since they know it is not really an option for most people to go back and forward to the school to supervise your child.
What a bunch of rednecks! Lets call a spade a spade.

Primary school teachers in this country have a lot to answer for.,bunch of pious deluded sheepish mollies.
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Flower » Fri May 13, 2011 3:11 pm

Doesnt sound like its going to be a easy ride at all. My teacher friend told me to get child christened for a easy life!!!! but i just dont see why i should.
An idea for child coming home saying that god made the flowers...... get him or her to plant some seeds, water them every day and watch them grow! the child would be amazed they have special powers just like god !!!!!!
:D
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Beebub » Fri May 13, 2011 4:07 pm

tony wrote:
Primary school teachers in this country have a lot to answer for.,bunch of pious deluded sheepish mollies.
I don't think that's fair Tony. There are plenty of primary school teachers in a similar situation. If you want to be a primary school teacher in this country you have to toe the line. Similar to parents who decide not to rock the boat with their kids there are teachers who fear for their jobs.

I agree som primary school teachers and school principals have a lot to answer for, but to tar them all with the same brush is not fair and doesn't help the debate.
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by Tulip1 » Fri May 13, 2011 6:20 pm

Flower wrote:Doesnt sound like its going to be a easy ride at all. My teacher friend told me to get child christened for a easy life!!!! but i just dont see why i should.
An idea for child coming home saying that god made the flowers...... get him or her to plant some seeds, water them every day and watch them grow! the child would be amazed they have special powers just like god !!!!!!
:D

Brilliant!! Why din't I think of that!!

I think that it just depends on the school how fine or difficult it is. But Beebub is right; in order to be a primary teacher here you have to pretend to be religous.
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Re: Non RC IN RC school?

Post by tony » Sun May 15, 2011 11:33 pm

Beebub wrote: If you want to be a primary school teacher in this country you have to toe the line.
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I agree some primary school teachers and school principals have a lot to answer for, but to tar them all with the same brush is not fair and doesn't help the debate.
Its about taking responsibility.If they decide to work in a job which requires them to carry out faith formation then they are part of the problem.A big part in my opinion because they are the ones turning out believers on behalf of their church.
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