Atheist Ireland Forum

Indeed it is. There may be some consolation in the fact that there seems to be a sizeable number of people in the country who are appalled by this situation, such as the letter writer to the Times.

At some stage the government (if not the Minister for [Catholic] Education) will sit up and take notice because, at bottom, they are concerned about votes.

CitizenPaine

Just joined the humanist society – I am really worried about the schools. My daughters are down for the educate together schools – they are 3 ½ and 1 ½.
I don’t understand the reasoning of opening more faith schools. It’s such a short-term strategy – this is driving me nuts!! I’m so annoyed (at FF in particular – what is their love - love relationship with the CCL) – by the time they get to school there will be hardly any Irish kids in their class (as by that time Ardee will be in the commuter belt of Dublin) – while this is good for their development it is bad for society – you will end up with a two tiered system. Immigrants in one school Irish in another. UHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Hi mk and welcome



The idea is to reinforce the apartheid tradition that is the hallmark of Holy Catholic Ireland. FYI, Hannafin is a drooling fan (groupie) of the Pope, need I say any more.



As I say, Catholic Ireland (as with all religious cultures) has always been a two-tiered system, which actually means the general population get screwed (with or without their meal tickets to Health & Education etc) only they're not aware of it - until its too late!

The Irish, per se, are still asleep....

Welcome to Ireland. You have to keep in mind the following: after it became public knowledge that the CCL had carried on decades (if not centuries) of abuse of Irish people from the rape of children to taking babies from their mothers by force and it that the rot went all the way up to the pope the ruling parties covered up for the Church. All the main figures in the ruling class are dyed in the wool catholics. After all the light shed on the insidious practices of the CCL "our" (sic) president recently invited Herr Ratzinger on a visit to our little green island.

Two months ago in Rome they held a mumbo jumbo ceremony to make some guy a saint who lived in Ireland. "Our" (sic) national station gave it wall to wall live coverage and it was attended by the president and the head of the police force at our expense.

At the core of the Irish psyche is a superstitious, small minded, short sighted, religious peasant who is suspicious of all foreigners and who wants to be a succesful gombeen man like those cute hoors in the goverment.

I'm surprised they don't mention this stuff in the tourist brochures......

But let's not forget that a great many of the Irish people themselves, e.g., parents, were complicit in this systematic abuse of their own children. I know that a lot of Irish people don't like to face up to this fact, but it is a fact - which should not be overlooked.

I think we might get a result here!

I was reading an article and the equality authority have told the minister she may be acting ultra vires. This is because they believe that discriminating, as religious schools do, is illegal. If not under Irish equality law then certainly under European law, which we are compelled to follow in Ireland.
http://www.independent.ie/other/church- ... 80356.html
If one parent took a case straight to the high court I think this would be sorted out once and for all.

I really do hope that this leads somewhere.

Not good Mary. You're a Minister in the Government of a member state of the European Union. You have responsibility for Education which is a key element in fostering integration. Blaming nameless others for not bringing an important EU directive on discrimination to your attention is a dereliction of your responsibilities. Doing so in public is the last refuge of an incompetent manager.

CitizenPaine

Mary (Hannafin) is first and foremost a thoroughly indoctrinated Irish Catholic. Genuflecting to kiss the Pope's ring is as natural to her as a normal mother's love is to a child; the only problem is, she didn't have a normal mother - which is precisely why she (as an adult human being)idolizes freaks of nature such as Ratzinger. She doesn't know any better! Its what she grew up with. A child who grows up with abuse or neglect or outright violence learns to accept such behaviour (their given environment) as normal and natural. Mary Hannifin doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. That's the way she was conditioned from birth. Its not up to her to change The System, its up to those of us who happen to be the victims of her warped beliefs to change the Status Quo.

Why did you think that the greens might form a majority government?

I didn't, obviously. I thought, like many others, that we could oust Fianna Fail with a Fine Gael, Labour, Green coalition. Sadly too many people thought they'd end up destitute if we did. I was aware that they might go in to government with Fianna Fail. I'd still rather the Green Party were in government than opposition.

Andrew

I did the same Andrew - all to no avail

And Fine Gael are different from Fianna Fáil in what way?

In no way what's so ever - but parties in power for to long get cocky and arrogant

The author of this article was on questions and answers last night (unless it was another Dr who worked in Dwivelstown for 10 years with the same opinion on the topic).