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Hate give this guy publicity but...

Post by Beebub » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:49 pm

He has an ad on the radio for this book and he's launching it at Buswell's hotel on Wednesday:

http://www.theoriginofspeciousnonsense.com/

he can also be found at darwinsdeadidea.com. However the reason it's noteworthy is because according to the website, Conor Lenihan, TD Minister for science will be launching the book! What a disgrace. This should somehow be highlighted. How can our minister for science not accept evolution as fact and if he does how can he launch a book such as this in his role of minister for science??
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Post by Beebub » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:46 pm

I've just sent out a pile of e-mails to science editors, rte correspondents, politicians making them aware of Lenihans reported launching of this book. Let's see if I get any resposnes. Ian O'Dohety replied to say he was aware of the book but couldn't believe Lenihan was launching it. No one else so far.

I also e-mailed Lenihan himself to see if it is true and if so to ask him was he fully aware of the book's content. No reply so far.

Any suggestions as to who else I could contact that might comment publicly on it?
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Re: Hate give this guy publicity but...

Post by dugges » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:51 pm

My blood is starting to boil!!!! :evil:
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Post by nozzferrahhtoo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:12 pm

Beebub wrote:Any suggestions as to who else I could contact that might comment publicly on it?
Could be worth mailing Ivana about it. I wonder if she would like to get a dig in at an anti-science Science Minister.
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Re: Hate give this guy publicity but...

Post by dugges » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:16 pm

Sample Quote
"Believing we are a higher form of animal condemns us to a lower form of life."
Is he talking about creationists or people who are right..... to me that quote is creationism in a nutshell
nozzferrahhtoo wrote:Could be worth mailing Ivana about it. I wonder if she would like to get a dig in at an anti-science Science Minister.
I've e-mailed this to PZ and a few students around the country!

[edit] Not sure about promoting this book, but I facebooked it anyway. Hopefully some biologists will pick up on it and give him a run for his money.... apparently there is a €10,000 bribe
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Post by Beebub » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:41 pm

dugges wrote:apparently there is a €10,000 bribe
The reward is for anyone who can prove evolution is a hoax. :roll:

I e-mailed Ivana and Ruairi Quinn as Labour's spokesperson on science.
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Post by nozzferrahhtoo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:43 pm

Lenihan responded to an email I sent him about this. Pretty fast response.

His entire justification on promoting the release of the book is "The Author is a friend".

Good to know friendship is enough to justify an elected Minister engaging in something that is directly anti- the department he works in. An anti-scientific Science Minister is no small thing to explain away on helping out a friend.

Edit: My Follow up email raising that concern received the one line answer "I do not agree with your view on this matter. Regards Conor Lenihan."

It would be helpful if others were to also email him with their concerns so he realises this is not simply one single person kicking up a fuss.

Edit Edit: I was just given a second email, following up on the last one (maybe he put 2 minutes thought into it and decided to email again) with the grammatically suspect "Thanks for the email, relax and please do nor become alarmed." followed with the assurance that "There are no implications for existing science policy as a result of my presence."
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Re: Hate give this guy publicity but...

Post by dugges » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:04 pm

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: I just got a reply, he accused me of misinterpreting his position at the event.
This is a key point. He wrote to me saying he was going to be there for a friend. THIS I have no objection to, if he wants to do this in his free time I would be all for it and would be defending him AGAINST you guys.

But he is not. Look at the billing for the evening. He is billed as being there in his full official capacity. He is therefore not there representing a friend. He is there representing US the electorate.

I would be happy if he did the event but removed his title from it. If the author put up "My Mate leni will be opening up the procedures" I wouldnt have a problem with it at all, despite the fact he is our minister for science.

No. He is there pretending to represent his electorate, and most of his electorate dont even know what he is doing with the office they gave him.

And him telling me to "relax" shows he doesnt know the implications of it either. He, despite his time in office, does not actually realise the gravity of the position he holds.
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Post by Beebub » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:24 pm

nozzferrahhtoo wrote:Lenihan responded to an email I sent him about this. Pretty fast response.
When did you send it? And to what address? Before posting this I e-mailed him, but have yet to get a response.
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Re: Hate give this guy publicity but...

Post by MichaelNugent » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:33 pm

The author, John May, is a fairly regular attender at the monthly meetings of the Humanist Association of Ireland and he may also have been at some of our events.

He believes in god as an intelligent first cause, but not in religion which he criticises as vehemently as he criticises evolution.

He spoke at an event I spoke at once, and he is pretty entertaining showman, but his basic argument comes down to a misunderstanding of how evolution works and a belief that frogs don't turn into princes so animals don't turn into people.

I have a copy of his book and I will summarise it here when I get a chance.
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