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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:55 am
by Max
During the late eighties/early nineties I worked on the pay roll for CND in one of their regional offices.
I had no real calling to work for CND. It was mostly just a job. I left because the organization became quite directionless after the end of the cold war. Some of the team moved on to other things, the organization remained but its political base dwindled rapidly. Its publicly perceived reason for existing was removed and funding dwindled.
Its was and is startling, that such an organization became so focused, and failed to appeciate the change around it.

Maybe I am a little too aware that sometimes you just don't see things coming before they happen.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:31 pm
by eamonnm79
Max wrote:I'm just thinking about his claims. I have no idea if his science is sound, or his ethics. but if his claims are correct (his personal ambitions aside) they undermine any ideas of religion.
Max
Geology, Paleontology, Astronomy and many othe Scientific fields already do this.
You will just have dogma believers saying that God created the Gnome, DNA building blocks etc.
But its another brick in our wall i guess.

Re: artificial life form using man made chromosome

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:32 pm
by Max
A year or two after my original post Prof. George Church has announced that a completely artificial life form will be assembled within the next twelve months. See BBC series 'Cell' 2009 part 3
http://www.harvardscience.harvard.edu/f ... hetic-life
:shock: :D :D

Re: artificial life form using man made chromosome

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:06 am
by soulofdarwin
Apparently, the list of life's creators is growing. As we now have God, Church, and Jewett, we can only guess how many more creators will come along before we've heard the last of this. Before, they would have had us believe that the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and God reins in an exclusive club, whereas now we are given to understand that the earth is round, the earth revolves around the sun, and creators are a dime a dozen. Go figure!

It seems that the matter of creation (chemical evolution) of "life" is something like I suggested in my Open Letter to Richard Dawkins, posted Dec. 6, 2008 in the evolution/creation forum of the Internet Infidels Freethought and Rationalism Discussion Board (FRDB), that is to say that it's an engineering problem. Given sufficient understanding of the problem and the right tools for the job, voila! Done!

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:16 pm
by Dev
Martha wrote: he can't control Life. Sure, he can try to manipulate Nature to suit his own pathological needy-greed/greedy-need, and maybe even destroy some of it in the process - but the Craig Venters of this world can never control Nature, much as they would like to!
Could you explain what you mean by "he can't control life".
Martha wrote: See, that's what Organised Religion is all about: trying to control Nature - Life itself. On the surface they appear to be doing just that. But, nobody is "God". Nobody lives in a vacuum - though many people exist in a vacuum, because of their warped (religious) childhood conditioning. I bet if you checked-out Craig Venter's childhood, it would be reveal his religious-ideological childhood indoctrination/conditioning. Ergo his need to "create new life forms".
Like most prolific scientists he is an atheist.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1808G2.DTL

"I think from my experience in war and life and science, it all has made me believe that we have one life on this planet. We have one chance to live it and to contribute to the future of society and the future of life. The only "afterlife" is what other people remember of you." -Craig J Venter

This to me suggests he is an atheist.

Controlling nature - Life itself I don't believe is what "organized religion is all about". Perhaps if you said controlling people your statement would be more plausible and would have less drama attached.
Martha wrote: What exactly are his claims? That he can create new life, or something like that? Isn't that what religion does? Claim to create "new life" - as if Life itself needed fixing?
Martha wrote: Max, I understand his (Craig Venter) claims all too well. I was, after all, born to parents who were unfortunately hypnotised by Roman Catholicism.
1. a) What exactly are his claims? That he can create new life, or something like that?
1. b) Max, I understand his (Craig Venter) claims all too well.
Can you see how these two sentences contradict each other?

2. Isn't that what religion does? Claim to create "new life" - as if Life itself needed fixing?
Another logical fallacy, creating new life does not imply life needs fixing.
Could you explain how religion claims to create new life?

3. Being born to parents who were hypnotized by Roman Catholicism does not qualify you to make any commentary on anything except maybe what it is like to have RC parents. Can you see the logical fallacies you've made?

Re: artificial life form using man made chromosome

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:51 pm
by peter63
Hi Dev. You could not have known this but Martha has been banned from the Atheist Ireland forum. She has not been with us for the last 2 years or so.

Re: artificial life form using man made chromosome

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:15 am
by Dev
I really should get into the habit of checking dates on posts and articles. These are important and I regularly miss them. I just use the View active topics daily and assume any conversations are current which the most recent bump always is.

My bad.

Re: artificial life form using man made chromosome

Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:05 am
by Max
Creation of a Bacterial Cell Controlled by a Chemically Synthesized Genome .pdf 20/5/10
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/rapidpdf/ ... 190719.pdf