Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

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Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by theist » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:35 pm

What would be a rational explanation for these?
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by mkaobrih » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:43 pm

1. How do you know what the “virgin” Mary looked like?
2. People see patterns in many different ways - remember you do not see with your eyes but with your brain (otherwise you’d see everything upside down).
3. Some people like to believe in mad stuff.
4. So what – If you saw something that you don’t understand – let’s call that a religious experience is not a valid argument.
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by dugges » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:49 pm

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by Dev » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:13 pm

Lying (most likely scenario)
Hallucinations, confusion/misinterpretation, (less likely scenarios).
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by Ygern » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:20 pm

What Dev said

Also:
Drugs
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Under social duress
Plea for attention (see lying)

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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:22 am

Or in the cases of tree stumps, finding patterns that don't exist and applying wishful thinking.

BTW. How do you explain the Hindu Milk Miracle. It's far more convincing than any Marian Aparition. Should we all be worshiping Ganesha?

http://www.milkmiracle.com/
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by Dev » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:48 am

Holding a shiny metal spoon up to the sun in India on a hot day . . and the containing milk disappears after the passage of a modest amount of time.
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:58 am

Dev wrote:Holding a shiny metal spoon up to the sun in India on a hot day . . and the containing milk disappears after the passage of a modest amount of time.
St. Bernadette of Lourdes wrote: ”For those who believe, an explanation is unnecessary.
For those, who don´t believe, an explanation is impossible.”
Evaporation.
The explanation given by the Indian rationalist society was that the milk was absorbed by the statues but I'm sure evapouration also played a role. The first miracle happend late september 1995, which is technically still in the monsoon season but right at the end of it. It could have been a very dry day. I wonder if we could find out.

The second date is late August 2006 which is in the dry season. I've experienced Delhi during the dry season. It's like being in a desert.
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by chemicals » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:25 am

Mind you they claim it occurred globally !!
http://www.milkmiracle.com/imgs/Milk_Mi ... de_url.jpg
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Re: Marion apparations (visions of the vision mary)

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:35 am

chemicals wrote:Mind you they claim it occurred globally !!
http://www.milkmiracle.com/imgs/Milk_Mi ... de_url.jpg
Ah yeah of course. So it's pointless talking about local weather.
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