General Election: Who will you be voting for?

bipedalhumanoid · **Joined:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:55 pm **Posts:** 2675

I'm very surprised to see so much support for the shinners given their laughable/crazy economic strategy. :shock:

Bik · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:49 pm

The right wing economic strategy worked just fine..........oh wait, no it didn't and it is dragging us down even more and according to the Business Insider worse is to come for even the supposedly 'safe' economies of France and Germany

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-12-cuntries-most-likely-to-go-belly-up-2011-2

Edit: I'm glad Ireland isn't among the 12 cuntries :lol:

Beebub · **Joined:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:22 pm **Posts:** 1014

funkyderek wrote:

I am against the glorification of war and violence in general, but I see a marked difference between celebrating these events and promoting and defending the actions of a group of violent thugs who acted as a private police force and tortured and murdered innocent people, especially when many of the perpetrators are still alive and remain unpunished.

+1

chemicals · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:51 pm

funkyderek wrote:

but I see a marked difference between celebrating these events and promoting and defending the actions of a group of violent thugs who acted as a private police force and tortured and murdered innocent people,

You are aware that many of the people involved in the 18th and 17th century rebellions "tortured and murdered innocent people"-on a grand scale?

funkyderek wrote:

especially when many of the perpetrators are still alive and remain unpunished.

If they were long dead ,and they will be in say 50 years time ,would you be ok with them been celebrated then ?

bipedalhumanoid · **Joined:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:55 pm **Posts:** 2675

Bik wrote:

The right wing economic strategy worked just fine..........oh wait, no it didn't and it is dragging us down even more and according to the Business Insider worse is to come for even the supposedly 'safe' economies of France and Germany

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-12-cuntries-most-likely-to-go-belly-up-2011-2

I'm not talking about right/left wing politics. I'm talking about their plans to tell the IMF and Europe where to stick their money and collapsing the banking system. Dumb ans dog shit.

Beebub · **Joined:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:22 pm **Posts:** 1014

funkyderek wrote:

Here's how I voted (in Dublin North Central):

(Apologies for the orientation)

No. 1 for the no-hope independent candidate. Despite his total lack of campaigning and near-zero chance of getting elected, I like his politics (Direct Democracy) and think he's worth a mention.
No. 2 for an incumbent independent. He seems to work hard for the community.
No. 3 for the Labour candidate. He seems to really care and I think a strong Labour party is good for the country right now (in that it means a weaker Fine Gael)
No. 4 for the Green candidate. She keeps trying but probably won't get in.
No. 5 for the Fine Gael hopeful. He's not currently a TD and I'd prefer him to get in than his running mate (see below).
No. 6 for the bearded lefty because choices are limited at this stage.
No. 7 for incumbent FG TD (and former deputy leader of the party) Richard Bruton
No. 8 for Sean Haughey, the Fianna Fail candidate and the incompetent son of our most corrupt former leader. Also looks a lot like Hitler.

No vote for the Sinn Fein candidate because of the party's continuing support for terrorism.

My (slightly hopeful) prediction is that Independent Finian McGrath (my No. 2), Labour candidate Aodhan Ó Ríordáin (my No. 3) and one of the Fine Gael candidates will be elected.

I strongly suspect that your vote will not go past Finian McGrath as he will not get elected on the first count and will likely not have any surplus to pass on. Certainly not enough to create a surplus once Clarke is eliminated. Good guy through.

Bik · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:56 pm

bipedalhumanoid wrote:

Bik wrote:

The right wing economic strategy worked just fine..........oh wait, no it didn't and it is dragging us down even more and according to the Business Insider worse is to come for even the supposedly 'safe' economies of France and Germany

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-12-cuntries-most-likely-to-go-belly-up-2011-2

I'm not talking about right/left wing politics. I'm talking about their plans to tell the IMF and Europe where to stick their money and collapsing the banking system. Dumb ans dog shit.

So we should vote for the same right wing policies that got us into the mess to get us out of it?
That is dumb as dog shit imo.

Beebub · **Joined:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:22 pm **Posts:** 1014

bipedalhumanoid wrote:

I'm not talking about right/left wing politics. I'm talking about their plans to tell the IMF and Europe where to stick their money and collapsing the banking system. Dumb ans dog shit.

+1

My vote was pretty easy.

Ivana Bacik (1)
Eamon Gilmore (2)
Ciaran Cuffe (3)

I simply couldn't bring myself to go further. The independants will be long gone before (and if) Bacik is elimianted. Ok so Gilmore will be elected before her and Cuffe will be eliminated before her so my vote won't transfer. I couldn't vote FG because they're in the pocket of the catholic church and they're scum bags and I couldn't bring myself to transfer to Richard Boyd Barrett because he's too much of a loon.

bipedalhumanoid · **Joined:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:55 pm **Posts:** 2675

Bik wrote:

bipedalhumanoid wrote:

Bik wrote:

The right wing economic strategy worked just fine..........oh wait, no it didn't and it is dragging us down even more and according to the Business Insider worse is to come for even the supposedly 'safe' economies of France and Germany

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-12-cuntries-most-likely-to-go-belly-up-2011-2

I'm not talking about right/left wing politics. I'm talking about their plans to tell the IMF and Europe where to stick their money and collapsing the banking system. Dumb ans dog shit.

So we should vote for the same right wing policies that got us into the mess to get us out of it?
That is dumb as dog shit imo.

If you've only ever lived in Ireland, you've never experienced right wing politics and you're not likely to any time soon.

chemicals · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:15 pm

By the way - is it legal to photo your "secret" ballot paper and publish it on a open forum ?
just wondering !

funkyderek · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:49 pm

chemicals wrote:

You are aware that many of the people involved in the 18th and 17th century rebellions "tortured and murdered innocent people"-on a grand scale?

I'll take your word for it. As I said, I am opposed to the glorification of violence. I also think the lionisation of historical figures while ignoring their failings is unwise.

Quote:

If they were long dead ,and they will be in say 50 years time ,would you be ok with them been celebrated then ?

No, but it would at least have less impact on the families of their victims.

Bik · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:59 pm

bipedalhumanoid wrote:

If you've only ever lived in Ireland, you've never experienced right wing politics and you're not likely to any time soon.

I haven't only ever lived in Ireland but you're right I never lived in 1930's Germany or Soviet Russia so obviously can't understand left from right. It's a wonder I find my way to work each day.

funkyderek · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:06 pm

chemicals wrote:

By the way - is it legal to photo your "secret" ballot paper and publish it on a open forum ?
just wondering !

No idea. I don't see why not, though. It certainly seems to be legal to photograph them during counting, but what I did is different in that (1) voting is still open and (2) my name is attached to it. I can't find anything to suggest it is illegal though.

bipedalhumanoid · **Joined:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:55 pm **Posts:** 2675

Bik wrote:

bipedalhumanoid wrote:

If you've only ever lived in Ireland, you've never experienced right wing politics and you're not likely to any time soon.

I haven't only ever lived in Ireland but you're right I never lived in 1930's Germany or Soviet Russia so obviously can't understand left from right. It's a wonder I find my way to work each day.

You most certainly are having difficulty understanding centre from right, maybe you have a middle ear infection.

Dev · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:12 pm

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So we should vote for the same right wing policies that got us into the mess to get us out of it?

It was a low government intervention in the private sector that got us any sort of prosperity to lose.

The problem with these labels of left and right are that they are somewhat vague. Just because someone is right of center economically (such as myself and biped) doesn't mean our stances on specific policies regarding certain institutions can be inferred. Lassez-faire policies in banking probably isn't wise because of the unique position the banking sector holds in an economy so that doesn't mean that since that didn't work everyone should all now be left wing. In many cases leaving the free market solve supply and demand is quite sensible and the most efficient mechanism.

We must question though what we allow the profit incentive govern. I think certain areas benefit more than others e.g. it would be silly to try and let the government solve telecomms and food production but areas like basic healthcare and education are better when the government has a strong role.

My own voting:
1. Gormley/Green
2. Quinn/Labour
3. Humphreys/Labour

I wasn't happy having to vote Labour though but when it comes to social policy they are the most forward thinking. However their economic policies are little outside my comfort zone. If I was voting with my wallet I would have voted for Fine Gael but Lucinda's stance on gay marriage isn't fair on gays. Basically she is only in favour of civil partnerships. Her marriage needs to "better" than theirs.

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