Atheist Ireland Forum

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 88822.html

stick this on the frontpage perhaps aswell

Thy will be done...

Don't go building up your hopes folks. Mr. Martin is a liar. The CCL is built on and maintained by lies. The CCL has no intention of giving up its hold on this island. Mr. Martin is, like everyone else in his organisation, a minion of Herr Ratzinger or whoever occupies the chairmans job next. If Ratz has declared war on common sense his minions will follow or be dammed to obscurity.

All this crap talk about not wanting to run the education system is merely damage limitation. What they say is never what they do.

Reality: a foreign state (The Vatican) controls 3000 out of 3200 schools in this county. Their spokesman say's they no longer wish to do this. But what to they actually do?
When a new school opens which they said they did'nt want to run they end up running it (Diswells town).

Don't watch their tongues, watch their hands!

FXR, whilst Ireland is still in the thrall of Rome and is therefore run by consummate liars like Martin et al, it doesn't mean to say that ALL of us Irish (natives) are sucked-into/hypnotised by their parasitic charisma - or whatever you want to call it. No, some of us (Irish Natives) have made good use of our restlessness and have, therefore, succeeded in separating ourselves from the yahooes who have endeavoured, but failed, to dictate the natural course of our lives.

Its too bad that most of the Irish - that is, the natives of this island - are still in the thral of the Vatican, but that's life: you win some, you lose some. Not every sperm is sacred, you know!

So now the Irish language is to remain bound to religion!

As Des Bishop pointed out so neatly on the Electric Picnic stage last year, our traditional greeting in Irish is:

"God with you."
"Well, God and Mary with you!"

I wish we could move on from this. I'd feel better speaking it then.

Pipe dream I know, but I won't be happy till 100% of applications are for non-denominational schools. Religiousity should be a private matter for families, not part of the educational ethos of schools.

J

Hello Folks,

It may be worth considering the likelyhood (imho) that the 'new' primary schools will simply be used as dumping grounds for those pupils who will not flatter the RCC.

For a long time now, secondary level children with special needs or from challenged social backgrounds (or indeed also that miniscule minority of children of intelligent conscientious objectors) have been ushered into techs and community colleges; the cream (as they are perceived) going to the more academic secondaries.

I believe (no pun) Hanafin et al are all too aware of the potential in this model.

Consider also the frame of mind of a teacher looking for a job; would you risk taking a post with Ed Together, other non Catholic school or tech/community school if you had ambitions of promotion? I think it likely than in general most teachers confident in their own capabilities will avoid untested career paths. Hanafin et al know this and are all too happy to hammer the wedge at primary level, while disingenuously making it look as if they are providing choice.

What we have in the making is a two tiered system with those pupils most likely to become professional going to decidedly Catholic schools. As simple as that really........

Gearoid

im sure some of the schools are being set up in new wealthy areas too

You are possibly right and that’s very depressing. I fucking hate a catholic education.