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Tulip1
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Tulip1 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:15 pm

Feardorcha wrote:Thanks Tulip for a very clear analysis of the situation in Holland (do you prefer Nederland?). I think we Irish atheists, democrats, free-thinkers need to start learning the Dutch lesson.
Have you thought about speaking at an AI meeting or other public platform? I'm sure if your spoken English is as clear as your writing it would be fine. I'll check out that website but the only Dutch I know is 'ham sandwich' which, of course, could get me killed in the wrong place.
Shaman: have you considered a competition to find the funniest religious hat? It would make a good YouTube video. My entry would be the Eastern Orthodox guy who has a great tower of crosses etc which he can raise and lower when he needs to kiss a picture.
No never considered speaking at a meeting, my english is pretty good since my wife is scottish. I emailed the guys from that site to see if they have any translations in english. A good family friend wrote with a few others a book about seperation from church and state, a analysis of europe. He is dead so can't ask him to translate but will see if they have a translation at 'De Vrije Gedachte'.

I would like to come to a meeting but I live near Sligo so it is a bit of a travel, but I will when ever time let me!

Ps. Nederland is perfect but it's all the same to me :wink:
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by cuchulainn » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:31 pm

I think Sarkozy's stance on cultural expectations of the French to people wishing to join their society is to be supported..
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Tulip1 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:10 pm

cuchulainn wrote:I think Sarkozy's stance on cultural expectations of the French to people wishing to join their society is to be supported..
I totaly agree, wish the dutch had the balls to do that! We have a half soft intergration program, a shame that the most problems come from the people who were born and bred in Holland so the don't have to participate.

How is this in Ireland? Is there any policies in place? (intergration policies)
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Irish Shaman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:06 am

Is it wierd I've been attmepting to try and get a religious/pope style hat? about one that PEOPLE, like users can possibly find. That way it is more actively competative.

:lol:

Anyway
No never considered speaking at a meeting, my english is pretty good since my wife is scottish. I emailed the guys from that site to see if they have any translations in english. A good family friend wrote with a few others a book about seperation from church and state, a analysis of europe. He is dead so can't ask him to translate but will see if they have a translation at 'De Vrije Gedachte'.
Torrents or Google. If you don't use either, let me know. They're the best internet tool translators when used forrectly, to find what your looking for.
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Tulip1 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:37 am

Irish Shaman wrote: Torrents or Google. If you don't use either, let me know. They're the best internet tool translators when used forrectly, to find what your looking for.
The seperation between church and state is a book :cry: so can't do that over the net unless they have it on the net. Will look for you straight away. I will see if the website translates with google. will let youse (real scottich, I mean ye) know
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Tulip1 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:40 am

Yes, Irish Shaman you are brilliant!!! Type "De Vrije Gedachte" klick the translate this page and presto it is in english!
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Feardorcha » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:39 am

Wow! That is truly amazing. Thanks Shaman - the Tower of Babel undone with the touch of a button.
And just to be greedy: can I write something in English and have it appear in Dutch on their forum?
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by Tulip1 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:34 pm

Feardorcha wrote:Wow! That is truly amazing. Thanks Shaman - the Tower of Babel undone with the touch of a button.
And just to be greedy: can I write something in English and have it appear in Dutch on their forum?
Most dutch people have a good understanding of english. If there are any problems you can awlays PM me for help.
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by frau antje » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:00 am

i'm dutch living in germany.

must say the situation with muslims in germany is bad.
but not as bad as the big cities in Holland.

i was wondering what caused the difference.
The difference is that german men stand up for themselves and for the weaker party. seen several times in the bus: or young people getting loud, or muslims playing up, that a german man stood up and said something about it. the people involved protested ofcourse, than a second man stood up and supported the first one. Then the loud ones became silent.

In holland there's a big drugsproblem in the big city's. To diminish junkie problems in the street, they give'm free passes for public transportation. i've read a lot of stories in the papers of one single man trying to say something about using heroin in the bus or muslims scolding white girls that they are all whores, that the one single man was stabbed to dead for saying something.

Nowadays in Rotterdam, you read in the newspaper messages like: young white girl raped by 20 muslimboys, passenger by did nothing. not even phone the police, because he was afraid the 20 boys would recognise him and search out his homeadresss.

another example: i went to the doctor, and 2 muslimwomen (headscarf and all) came in. one sick and one translator. behind the counter were several doctor-assistants, one of whom was turkish. So the sick woman started talking in turkish to the turkish assistent. The head assistent took initiative and said: We are here in germany, at a german doktors and the language we speak here is german. the girl behind the counter is a mere apprentice, whom we are willing to give a change of a job and not to take over all foreign patients. so you can speak to me, in german, or go home. Then the women spoke in german and were quite able to express themselves in german.

In holland we have hundreds of specialist translators, costing the government and the taxpayer a fortune.
whom a doktor can invite to translate for a patient.
asking patients to speak dutch is considered racist. while if their culture describes that women cannot learn foreign languages, and should be beaten when willing to learn the language, than that should be respected. (???)

that's holland for you.

In Ireland, because it used to be a poor country and therefore not attractive, you still have a choice how you want your country to look in 20 years. That's a biggie, worth thinking about.

regards,
frau antje.
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Re: Muslim Public Affairs Committee

Post by smiffy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:22 am

One should note that nothing in the post above has anything to do with religion. I'd ask the poster to provide a source for his story about the '20 Muslim boys' on the bus but when it comes to posts like these (which are ten a penny across the internet), factual accuracy tends to take a back seat to vague unproven anecdotes.
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