New right wing political party

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Re: New right wing political party

Post by ctr » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:02 pm

The PDs drove the political agenda here for the last decade (don't forget McCreevy was a closet PD) and IMHO bears a major responsibility for the difficulties we are in.
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:38 pm

ctr wrote:The PDs drove the political agenda here for the last decade (don't forget McCreevy was a closet PD) and IMHO bears a major responsibility for the difficulties we are in.
McCreevy? The king of hand outs. He's your example of a right wing politician?

I know he was finance minister when Eircom was privatised, but what about all the welfare increases, minimum wage increases, child benefit etc? That's about as left wing as you can get.
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by Tulip1 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:35 pm

Was child benefit not introduced by Hitler? Pretty right wing to me!! :wink:
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by lostexpectation » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:39 pm

ok populist right wing happy? (FF!)
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:12 pm

lostexpectation wrote:ok populist right wing happy? (FF!)
Right wing = Margaret Thatcher
FF are centre right at best, even with the PDs. They're more left wing than the British and Australian Labor parties.
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by lostexpectation » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:31 am

they're right wing
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by Dev » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:49 am

Irish Parties 2007.

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Taken from the political compass thread. I see this as a fairly accurate depiction of Irish politics, I suspect most armchair politicians here would give some credence to this. The PD's may be "right wing" but they are quite anti authoritarian relative to FF and FG. i.e. they feel the government has little to say on the matter of personal choices, being gay, divorce, social issues etc.

I happen to be an economic right winger myself, it doesn't mean people can infer from this my stance on specific policies though.

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Re: New right wing political party

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:13 am

Dev wrote:Irish Parties 2007.
Yep, that looks about right. Now compare that to the UK Labour party (from the same source)...

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And the Australia Labor (sic) party...

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And the 2008 US Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates...

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If FF are right wing then the BLP, ALP and Obama are right wingers.
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by bipedalhumanoid » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:30 pm

Irish Times wrote: Independent TDs Michael Lowry and Jackie Healy-Rae are to announce their voting intentions today on one of the toughest and most critical budgets for many years.

Fine Gael TD for Dublin South-East Lucinda Creighton said she would consider abstaining on the budget if Mr Lowry and Mr Healy-Rae failed to support it. She said her party had a similar responsibility.

Tánaiste Mary Coughlan last night said the budget, to be announced by Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan tomorrow, would include a reduction in politicians’ pay and pensions.

“All these pensions and salaries will be reduced accordingly on the basis that, although people have forgotten that we did take massive reductions in ministerial pay, as did the Taoiseach last year, all politicians took reductions in their salaries and their expenses on the basis that others had to do with less and they would have to do with less,” she said on RTÉ’s The Week in Politics.

The Government currently has a majority of two in the Dáil, including Mr Lowry and Mr Healy-Rae. If the two Independents abstain on the vote it could be tied. If they vote against it the budget will face defeat unless some Opposition TDs abstain or vote for it.

Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheal Martin said today he was confident the budget would be passed.

“It is important for the country that that would happen and my sense around Leinster House over the last number of weeks is that [there is a realisation[ that the budget should go through, and that’s across the board,” he said in Cork this morning.

“That said, it’s going to be a very difficult budget and one cannot take any vote for granted,” he said. “The Government is very conscious of that and is very anxious for sake of country to get the budget through and we are doing everything we can to facilitate that.”

Mr Lowry, who represents Tipperary North, said he and his colleague from Kerry South would make a clear-cut decision.

“We will not abstain, we will vote either for or against, and both will be doing the same. The issues are too serious for a weak response such as abstention,” he said.

Although there is a general expectation in political circles that the two deputies will support it, Mr Lowry said last night he had not made up his mind as yet and would be meeting local councillors who supported him for a discussion of the issue.

Asked about his continuing contacts with the Government, he said: “I am anxious to get a number of local and national issues confirmed and clarified.”

Even at this late stage, he added: “I have an open mind.” He was also speaking on behalf of Mr Healy-Rae and they are likely to make their joint announcement this evening.

Mr Lowry rejected suggestions that approval of a “super-casino” in Two-Mile Borris in his constituency was a critical issue. “That is not a demand that I made.” He was aware a report on updating the Gaming and Lotteries Act 1956 was in preparation.

“I have not used it as a bargaining-tool,” he said. He would like to see the legislative framework changed so that permission could be sought for projects such as the one intended for Two-Mile Borris. The project would create jobs in the area but it was not on his budget shopping-list: “I don’t have one.” Asked if it was a “deal-breaker”, he replied: “No”.

Other sources confirmed yesterday that the report on the gaming legislation was being finalised and is expected to be brought to Cabinet in the next two or three weeks.

The Government majority also includes three Fianna Fáil TDs currently without the whip, including Tipperary South TD Mattie McGrath, who has been a vocal critic of some Government policies and the Fianna Fáil leadership. He said last night he had not made up his mind yet on the budget.

His decision on how to cast his vote would depend on “how much taxation is going to be got from the elites that are running the country”.

Dublin North-Central Independent Finian McGrath said he had not made up his mind either and his decision would be based on the treatment of “people with disabilities, cystic fibrosis patients, small businesses, senior citizens and social welfare recipients”.

Fine Gael TD for Dublin South-East Ms Creighton said as the party “that is about to lead the country”, Fine Gael had “responsibilities to ensure that the budget goes through”. A party spokesman said: “We cannot support a budget we haven’t seen from a Government we can’t trust.”

Cuts in social welfare payments are expected to include a reduction of €8 or €9 in the Jobseeker’s Allowance. Child benefit will be cut by 10 per cent and the airport travel tax is likely to be cut from €10 to €2.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre ... ing18.html
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Re: New right wing political party

Post by lostexpectation » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:49 pm

If FF are right wing then the BLP, ALP and Obama are right wingers.[/quote]

they are, Obama certainly, alot of the parties shifted to the right in last decade, you can't mistake populism or localisms, or nationalism for being left wing.
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