Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD

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lostexpectation
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Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD

Post by lostexpectation » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:31 pm

Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt ... 41589.html
Immigrant pupils need new state schools, says OECD
http://www.independent.ie/education/lat ... 09373.html

the gov setting up schools! would be a surprise in its self

anyone find where this report is.


Integration Minister John Curran said the report would help the development of the new Intercultural Education Strategy which will be finalised shortly.
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Re: Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD

Post by anadub25 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:33 pm

I hope it doesn't take the futile direction of trying to 'cater for everybody'. We have a fantastic opportunity to educate children about different cultures but to try to pay homage to all the various religious celebrations is exhausting and necessarily offends one group or another. The children's centre i work at tries to do just that. The only way is to restrict religious practises to discussion which in any case should be the format of education (setting aside apprenticeships in manual labour etc obviously).
"Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis."

- Sigmund Freud -
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Re: Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD

Post by Marks » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:17 am

The OECD does not seem to realise that there is a constitutional problem with taking over Catholic schools. The constitutional problem is Article 44.6:-

“The property of any Religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.”

Can you just imagine the State having to pay the Catholic Church compensation to take over Catholic Schools. The State funds the schools and pays all teacher’s salaries but they still cannot take them over. Anyway according to our Government immigrants, atheists and all minority religions are not deprived of any constitutional rights by attending catholic schools so on that logic why should they need to set up multic-ethnic schools.
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Re: Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD

Post by lostexpectation » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:50 pm

heres that report
http://www.oecd.org/LongAbstract/0,3425 ... _1,00.html

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/1/50/44344245.pdf

well it quotes the archbishop suggesting exchanging schools

in terms of new schools type it talks of more patrons bodies and looking how the 2 pilot schools are going, its in no hurry either.. :/
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Re: Govt should set up multi-ethnic primary schools: OECD

Post by Marks » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:10 am

Thanks for providing the link. I read the report and it is largely to be welcomed. It is the first time that any of these organisations are getting to grips with understanding the patron system.

Unfortunately they never analysised why if every child has a constitutional rights to attend any school receiving public money and opt out of religious instruction (Article 44.2.4) those same schools can refuse entry in order to uphold their religious ethos. Neither did they question why if all citizens are equal before the law Article 40.1 why Section 7 of the Equal Status Act permits discrimination in access to schools where children have a constitution right to attend. Regardless of the above they have realised that additional forms of patronage will not solve the problem which is not Catholic church policy.

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“As early as 1997 and again in 2007, the Catholic Bishops and the Catholic primary school management assoc (the patron body for Catholic primary schools) argued for considering additional forms of patronage and for schools to reflect changing preference of parents” The real issue here is the provision of alternative models of patronage to meeting the needs of a rapidly changing pluralist society.
The implication is that there may be limits as to how far individual patron bodies – and the schools for which they are responsible – can go in accommodating diversity in Ireland, in a society that is becoming increasingly heterogeneous, the practice of relying on patron bodies for the provision of education begins to look anachronistic.unquote

If the Catholic Church transfers some of its schools to the VEC this will not necessarily mean that these schools will not operate a religious ethos. It is possible in Ireland to have a specific religious ethos in multi-denominational schools. In fact the Catholic Church wanted the New Vec Community schools to be based on the model of Community Schools at second level. These schools are called multi-denominational but have a religious ethos. We will see how that develops. As it is now it is looking increasingly likely that parents will have equality of access but will not be able to opt their children out of the religious education class without discrimination in these new community schools.

I am quite sure that one of the conditions for transferring any Catholic schools to the State at primary level will be that they have a religious ethos and that Catholic religious instruction takes place during the school day. They will argue that multi denominational schools at second level (Community schools and designated Community Colleges) operate a religious ethos and are not unconstitutional. This is the strategy of the Catholic Church and the result of this new plurality of patronage will be that nothing will change on the ground. It will be a Catholic education or no education. The only thing that will change is that the Catholic Church and the State will claim that parents have a choice in where to send their children to schools when in fact nothing will have changed at all. Good strategy eh?
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