Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by Feardorcha » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Have you anything to contribute to the atheist agenda or the wide and varied related topics on this forum? No? Just exercising a little bit of elitism to impress yourself regardless of the damage you do?
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by paolovf » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:14 pm

eoinomurchu wrote:Ní raibh mé ag iarraidh daoine a choinneáil ó dhoras gan Béarla a úsáid ( ach tá google translate Gaeilge ann)

I didn't want to keep people out by not using English (but google translate is in Irish too)
FYI, Google translated the first sentence as "I did not want people to keep a door without using English"

It's not the most reliable, in aon teanga.
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by eoinomurchu » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:34 pm

Tuigim nach bhfuil google translate iontach ach tá sé intuigthe dar liom. Conas go mbeinn ag déanamh dochair trí rudaí a scríobh as Gaeilge? Teastaíonn uaim leathanaigh a aistriú go Gaeilge agus/nó grúpa aindiachaithe trí Ghaeilge a chur ar bun. Céard nach bhfuil dearfach faoi sin? Níl ort bheith páirteach.


I understand google translate is not great, but its close enough usually.
Someone seems to think that I'm doing damage by using Irish here? I want to translate some of the info pages on the website to Irish, to add to the resources and info on atheism through Irish and to possibly have a group of atheists through Irish. I think that fits the bill of the website/forum? You don't have to join or agree.
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by Beebub » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:09 pm

Fáilte Eoin.

I have to say though, I just don't see the point in your exercise. I say this as a lover of the language (even though my proficiency in it is pigeon at best). I have three kids going to a gaelscoil and I think it's important for us to keep the language alive.

But is there really a need for some or all of the AI pages to be translated into Irish? As someone mentioned earlier, you'd be catering for a minority within a minority. I don't know the figures off the top of my head, but are fluent Irish speakers about 10% of the population? Are those of no religion just under 10% of the population? So your target audience is pretty small. Is there any one of those people who don't speak English? I'm all for the promotion of the language, but I'm not sure that AI is the place for it. We're about promoting secularism not the Irish language and by having some pages in Irish, you're simply excluding those who don't speak the language from those pages. By having it all in English, no Irish speakers are excluded.

Similarly, a group associated with AI who only converse in Irish, be it on a page on the forum or in person, simply excludes those who don’t speak Irish. It’s hard enough to get people involved and to come to events without putting up further barriers.

I say this too because you seem to be interested in offering your time to AI. Would this not be put to more practical uses? Have you seen this page:

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5204

It's about the launch of a community outreach programme. If you have some spare time this might be something in which you could involve yourself.

As for the promotion of the Irish language, there are many organisations that do this whose sole objective is to promote the language.

We have a tough enough battle on our hands without being sidetracked by issues not relevant to the goals of AI.

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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by Séasán Ó Riabhaigh » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:28 pm

Conas atá sibh go léir.Is Aindiachaí mise,is breá liom an teanga Gaeilge agus é a bheith á labhairt chomh minic agus is féidir.Ach tá ceist agam....

How are ye all.I am an Atheist,I love the Irish language and I love to speak it as often as possible.But I do have a question.....

This is unrelated to the present topic,but just out of curiosity I was wondering does anybody know of an alternative,secular way of saying "hello" in Irish?? Seeing that "Dia dhuit", "Dia is Muire dhuit",and "Go mbeannaí dia dhuit" all reference god in some way.Directly translated into English,they would mean "God be with you","God and Mary be with you" and "May god bless you".
Any ideas? Again,just out of curiosity.
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by Bik » Wed May 01, 2013 10:44 am

Dia dhuit is quite formal, the likes of conas atá tú is more common in practice (even though that means how are you rather than hello), in the Gaeltacht it's also common to hear people just say hi (I've seen it spelt 'haigh' on some occassions).

On the whole I wouldn't be too concerned with the god element in the Irish greetings, no one seems too bothered with the god reference in goodbye in English, adieu in French or adios in Spanish. :wink:
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by eoinomurchu » Wed May 01, 2013 12:08 pm

Haigh! Taim chun alt a scríobh air seo. Tríd is tríd seachnaíonn daoine gan chreideamh osnádúrtha Dia dhuit, ach sleamhnaíonn corr 'le cúnamh dé' agamsa fiú. Tá 'Móra duit' ann cineál '~Greetings' 'Sé do bheatha' chomh maith. 'Conas atá?' agus 'Aon Scéal?' ríchoitianta.

I am currently working on an articel for this, Generally most people who don't have supernatural beliefs try to avoid 'dia dhuit' as its very in your face, compared to goodbye even. Other options are Móra duit' 'Sé do bheatha' or the far more common greeting of 'Conas atá?' and 'Aon Scéal?'
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by Séasán Ó Riabhaigh » Wed May 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Bik wrote:Dia dhuit is quite formal, the likes of conas atá tú is more common in practice (even though that means how are you rather than hello), in the Gaeltacht it's also common to hear people just say hi (I've seen it spelt 'haigh' on some occassions).

On the whole I wouldn't be too concerned with the god element in the Irish greetings, no one seems too bothered with the god reference in goodbye in English, adieu in French or adios in Spanish. :wink:
That's a good point.
I know for a fact that any time I say "Dia dhuit" to somebody,I most certainly don't mean "god be with you"!!:-D
I think also the Germans use "Grüss Gott" as a greeting.

I suppose in the same way we could say that about everyday expressions we use in English e.g "aw jesus christ" and "ah for god's sake" etc. etc.,when we use those exclamations we are not actually praying!! :-D:-D
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Re: Grúpaí Aindiachaithe le Gaeilge

Post by Séasán Ó Riabhaigh » Wed May 01, 2013 8:42 pm

eoinomurchu wrote:Haigh! Taim chun alt a scríobh air seo. Tríd is tríd seachnaíonn daoine gan chreideamh osnádúrtha Dia dhuit, ach sleamhnaíonn corr 'le cúnamh dé' agamsa fiú. Tá 'Móra duit' ann cineál '~Greetings' 'Sé do bheatha' chomh maith. 'Conas atá?' agus 'Aon Scéal?' ríchoitianta.

I am currently working on an articel for this, Generally most people who don't have supernatural beliefs try to avoid 'dia dhuit' as its very in your face, compared to goodbye even. Other options are Móra duit' 'Sé do bheatha' or the far more common greeting of 'Conas atá?' and 'Aon Scéal?'
Haigh a Eoin.
Buíochas leat-mar níor chuala mé "móra duit" riamh.Nuair a bhíomar ar scoil ní raibh aon téarma eile ach amháin "Dia dhuit","Dia is muire dhuit" etc. agus mar sin deirim é i gcónaí as Gaeilge.
Hi Eoin.
Thank you-because I've never heard of the term "móra duit" before.At school,"Dia dhuit" and "dia is muire duit" were the only ways we were taught to say hello,and because of this I find myself using these when I speak Irish.But of course in my own mind,they are of no significance other than "hello".

Would " 'sé do bheatha" be used to welcome somebody?
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